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1:16 PM (6 minutes ago)
to me, ChristinaGood morning, Pat and Christina,
I spoke with Carolyn Ingram last week. On the positive side, she is active and it sounds like she would walk the dog regularly. There are trails in the area and also some local area lakes and a golf course. Her previous dog, a Scottie, had issues with its back legs and she invested the time in getting a Theraband (or similar stretchy band) to help it walk and strengthen its front legs. Prior to the Scottie, she had three Dobermans, all of which she trained. She did the grooming herself with the Scottie. She has two daughters close by, both of whom have animals, and one of whom works with animal rescue. If she were to travel, the dog would go to the daughters’ or kennel with the vet.
I did feel there were a few red flags:
1. The townhome/condo complex where she lives has no fencing whatsoever, with no plans to get fencing.
2. Carolyn had an Airedale as a child. She talked about the dog quite a bit but never once did she use his/her name, she just referred to the dog as “it.” Even for those family dogs I have no memory of, I know their names/genders and in conversations about family dogs would refer to them by one or the other.
3. She talked about how she grew up in a small community and this dog would follow them to school and then be there when they came out. I asked what the dog did during their school hours and she told me she didn’t know. When the family left the house in the car, it was always left out and the dog would chase the car for as far as it could! She expressed no adult dismay or concern at any of this.Given the above, my concern is whether she will think she can leave the dog loose outside, especially a puppy or youngster, which is the age group she would like. All it takes is one squirrel, cat, or other critter and the best trained dog is gone. The street on which her complex is located looks like it’s a fast road. I spent a few minutes trying to find a speed limit, but didn’t find one, however, the road is relatively straight (see attached photo).
She also told me she has depression, a symptom of which is depersonalization. She spends a lot of time alone and wants the Airedale for companionship. She has been married 43 years but her husband still works as a coroner with no plans to retire. She also told me she has problems with recall, something that is related to the depersonalization, the result of a bad experience as a child, she said. This was another potential red flag. We all have increasing problems with recall as we get older but add this to the other concerns and it makes it more uncomfortable.
I didn’t call her vet since her last dog died 8 years ago nor did I call her personal reference. It feels sad to deny her given her emotional issues but I just kept thinking if it were one of my babies who was being given up, I would be afraid for her to go to this home.
Mary
On Aug 29, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Christina Prange
hi – That would be really great so we can check all the boxes and feel we did the right thing. I phone interviewed the family yesterday and I felt good about them. I spoke to the groomer yesterday – great feedback. I called the vet but they did not have anyone available to speak to me until Monday. Pat will check that box on Monday.I will send an intro note to both of you. If you could reach out to them, that would be great. I really appreciate it. I can’t think of anyone that i trust more to do this.
Biggie – can you believe 8 mos old dog and this is the 4th family who gets an opportunity on him – too old; too young; someone has an older dog that they’re tending to and it was not right time.
Interview Notes:
This would be a 2nd dog to their 6 (?) ish aged ‘dale named Armando. Armando has an Instagram page – he lives a good life. The only thing is they have e fence. I said to her yesterday – you will need to train him to the invisible fence. They do a lot of leash walking. They are pegged for an 8 mos old named Biggie who is in Concord. Biggie’s family says they don’t have the time needed for him and that he is afraid of men. He is not afraid of his 13 y/o sibling but afraid of the dad. Who knows what that means – maybe the dad has done something. Applicant Dad works at home. Applicant Mom is a teacher (Spanish) at CPCC. She is gone 9-2ish a few days a week. 16 y/o daughter at home; 18 y/o son – first year at Clemson. Armando goes everywhere with them. Yesterday they were driving to Clemson to see son and Armando was in the car with them for the visit. They understand forgiveness is necessary with a young Airedale – things are going to happen. BOth parents are on board for adopting as i spoke to both in the car yesterday.Andreina Riera
Sat, Aug 28, 11:15 AM (2 days ago)
to Christina, meGood morning Christina. I’m traveling to my son’s game in Clemson so I’m available right now or at any time later today. Looking forward to talking to you.
Regards,
Andreina Riera
Christina Prange
Sun, Aug 29, 8:58 AM (1 day ago)
to andreina.riera@icloud.com, bayager@comporium.net, meHello Barbara and Andreina – This is a quick note to introduce the two of you for the next step in the ARG process which is the home visit. Barbara has graciously volunteered to help with this next step and can do this today or tomorrow. Between the two of you all please email together and determine the best time for you all that this home visit could happen. We are very close to finalizing this Andreina! THANK YOU BOTH!
Christina Prange
919-605-4563Christina Prange
Sun, Aug 29, 8:56 AM (1 day ago)
to andreina.riera@icloud.com, meHi Alvaro and Andreina – It was very nice to speak with you on the phone yesterday. I can tell you all love your ‘dale very much. I love that Armando is part of your family – you include him in everything which is what we want for our ARG placements. As part of our process, a home visit is necessary and one of our volunteers – actually the founding member of ARG, lives in Fort Mill. Her name is Barbara Yager and she can come to meet you today or tomorrow. We are very close to being able to match you up with Biggie! Barbara will reach out to you – I’ll send a note to introduce you both. Please know – all things are looking good, this is just part of our standard adoption process.
Christina Prange
919-605-4563—–Original Message—–
From: Andreina Riera
To: Christina Prange
Cc: Pat2019 Hairston
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: ARG interviewChristina and Pat, thanks for the time and the call this morning.
Please let us know if you need any additional information or have any questions for us. We are looking forward to hear back from you.
Hope you have a great weekend.
Regards,
Alvaro, Andreina and Armando
cgreendr
Wed, Aug 25, 10:19 AM (2 days ago)
to me, ChristinaGood morning,
Chewy has been with us for three days now. I know it takes awhile sometimes to see the real dog when they are stressed in a new environment. However I feel confident that Chewy is a fabulous dog.
He is everything I would expect in a young Airedale. He is exuberant, bold, and sweet. And yes he is like a bull in a china cabinet and he struggles to control his energy and be mannerly . His main issue is lack of impulse control (nothing new here) . When I am calm and quiet with him and offer no interaction unless paws are on the ground he has quickly learned how to earn affection appropriately.
The previous owner clearly tried with this boy. He looses his mind when he sees the leash as he loves to go on walk so they must have walked him regularly. I wait him out until he settles and he offers a sit before I put on the leash and then do the same thing before we go. He struggles with the calm but is a quick study and has become much better in a matter of days.
He knows a few verbal commands such as sit , down, come but owners probably did not understand how to generalize by having all family members work with him .
He is a good leash walker as he understands leash pressure. He will require someone with good leash handling skills as he is big , mighty boy. I have worked with him walking on loose leash and in a structured walk with an informal heal. If a handler is proactive when they approach something that may excite him and place him at their side rather than out front he is very responsive to handler guidance. If he is permitted to be out front when approaching something exciting he probably will lunge and take someone down.
I have tested for food or toy guarding and he exhibits neither. He actually seems interested in fetching and readily releases the ball.
Owners (I assume as he came with clippers) attempted to give him an Airedale clip but left hindquarters and tail unclipped as well as neck and front. So I finished up giving him an Airedale pet clip. Bruce had to help me steady him on the grooming table because he is a big lummox. He was perfectly fine with me clipping his head, neck , ears , hindquarters, tail and sanitary area. He was more interested in Bruce petting him than what I was doing. He loves being brushed .
Chewy is muscular from exercise but 5-6 lbs overweight probably from being fed a dog food that is primarily corn (he came with a bag). I have switched him to a good meat based food . He will probably trim up quick with good food and plenty of exercise.
No idea why vet tech indicated he is aggressive but many a great dog has been known to lose it at the vet due to stress or poor handling.
He checks all the boxes for what I would look for in a good Airedale. He is gorgeous, bold , happy , high energy, curious .
He needs an owner that expects and appreciates these things. He needs plenty of physical and mental exercise. He needs work on impulse control such as working on “place” command and holding a sit or down.
Chewy is an absolute gem !Cindy
Christina Prange
Thu, Aug 26, 5:18 PM (19 hours ago)
to mei moved her to waiting for spare ‘dale so if you want to add her details to spreadsheet – not sure where you do that 🙂
On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 3:36 PM Kristen Shaw
Hi! I just read about him and he is younger than what we’d like. I think I told you 1-5 on the application and I realize I can’t be too picky but would prefer a 3-6 year old and one that is smaller than our Louie. Biggie is 55 lbs at 8 months and it took Louie 2 years to reach his max weight of 87lbs. And I saw in his description that he is fearful of men.. is that correct or was that given as an example in the question? I couldn’t tell. Thank you so much for letting us know about him. I’m sure he will find a great home. I look every day at the website. Stay in touch.Sent from my iPhone
Christina Prange
919-605-4563—–Original Message—–
From: Annecy Airedale
To: Kristen Shaw
Sent: Thu, Aug 26, 2021 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: Airedale Rescue Group adoption applicationI totally understand, Kristen. We will keep your info on file so when the right pup comes along, we will have your file on hand and reach out.
Do also keep your eye on the website in case a dog pops up that you fall in love with! The pup that lands with you will be a very lucky pup!
Mary
On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 3:36 PM Kristen Shaw
Hi! I just read about him and he is younger than what we’d like. I think I told you 1-5 on the application and I realize I can’t be too picky but would prefer a 3-6 year old and one that is smaller than our Louie. Biggie is 55 lbs at 8 months and it took Louie 2 years to reach his max weight of 87lbs. And I saw in his description that he is fearful of men.. is that correct or was that given as an example in the question? I couldn’t tell. Thank you so much for letting us know about him. I’m sure he will find a great home. I look every day at the website. Stay in touch.Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Annecy Airedale
Hi, Kristen,
I wanted to make sure you received Pat Hairston’s email offering you “Biggie.” He’s 8 months old and I know you were looking for a year+, or so, but since we don’t get young Dale’s all that often, we wanted to offer him to you.
Biggie is in Charlotte so not too far away.
Mary
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 8:29 PM Kristen Shaw
OkSent from my iPhone
On Aug 16, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Annecy Airedale
Let’s talk tomorrow at 3:00. I’ll give you a call from 404.895.1132.Looking forward to it!
Mary
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 7:34 PM Kristen Shaw
I can talk tomorrow anytime, I happen to be off work tomorrow. Otherwise evenings are fine too. My number is 864-567-0448. Thank you.Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 16, 2021, at 3:28 PM, Annecy Airedale
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> Hi, Kristen,
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> I am with Airedale Rescue. We received your application so I’d like to schedule a time for us to talk a bit further.
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> Mid-day is generally best for me, plus between 7-8 on weekdays. Let me know if there is a time that works for you.
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> Mary McEneaney
> 494.895.11321 of 57
Re: Biggie – airedale for adoption
InboxChristina Prange
12:42 PM (23 minutes ago)
to meOK good on the return clause
i’ve responded to MP and given her what i know plus a photoChristina Prange
919-605-4563—–Original Message—–
From: Pat Hairston
To: Christina Prange
Sent: Fri, Aug 27, 2021 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: Biggie – airedale for adoptionYes got him from breeder. Breeder does not have a return clause just a clause they must be notified if dog is rehomed.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 12:04 PM Christina Prange
hi – did they send Biggie photos? I have 1 that is from the bb
Here is how my response is:Is he house trained? Unknown but this is something that can easily be trained
Did they adopt him from a breeder and who? He was purchased from a breeder
Why does he have to relieve himself so often? Does he have a health issue? No known health issues, this response about relieving himself may just be a triggered that they find they don’t have the time to spend with him that he needs. Younger dogs have shorter bladder spans – they do have to go more often, only because they’re young.
Health records? ??????Christina Prange
919-605-4563—–Original Message—–
From: Mary
To: Christina Prange
Sent: Fri, Aug 27, 2021 11:57 am
Subject: Re: Biggie – airedale for adoptionOh dear! Can they send photos?
Is he house trained?
Did they adopt him from a breeder and who?
Why does he have to relieve himself so often? Does he have a health issue?
Health records?Thank you for thinking of us.
I so want a newborn but may consider this one.
Look forward to hearing from youSent from my iPhone
On Aug 27, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Christina Prange
Hi Brett & MP
You all have indicated interest in adopting an Airedale and I wanted to tell you about a rare young ‘dale that we have available. We have an 8-month-old male Airedale, named Biggie, that is neutered weighing about 55 lbs. He does have some growing to do yet. Please let me know if you are interested in adopting Biggie.Here is information from the release form:
Dog currently lives with:: a) number of adults: 2
b) if children, age of children: 1- 13 year old
c) if pets or other animals, types, and ages: 1-10 year old yorkie
d) other important living conditions: inside dog, crated at night, loves to be around people, loves running in backyard, requires frequent bathroom breaksAiredale is (check all that apply to your Airedale):
Living in a home (Inside dog; lives inside except to potty or play outside),
Fenced yard
Airedale Crate Training & Hours Alone (check all that apply to your Airedale): Crate: always crated when we are not home, Crate: crated overnight when sleeping, Used to being alone 0-2 hours
Airedale behaviors (check all that apply to your Airedale): Barks when someone new enters our home,
Leash: Good leash walker,
Leash: Reactive to other dogs when on leash can be controlled or redirected (barks, lunges),
Grooming: Loves it,
Car: Good in car – loves it, Food: Good eaterAiredale Interactions (check all that apply to your Airedale): Sweet dog, loves to cuddle, Fearful of men, Children: Loves all children any age,
Cats: Never been around cats,
Dogs: Good with other dogs (can live peacefully with other dogs),
Mouthy (uses mouth on hands or arms or person, but does not bite)
Explain the dog being an escape artist (escapes from fenced area, sneaks outdoors):: Can open lever-type doors so we keep the mocked around the houseDog’s best qualities are:: Sweet, loving, comical, resilient, runs like crazy when having a tantrum. Plays fetch well, used to baths, likes grooming
Dog’s worst qualities are:: Needs potty break every couple of hours, needs full supervision when not leashed, occasionally digs holes in yard
Has Airedale received any obedience training? If yes, please describe.: No
The surrendering family lives in Concord, NC and currently has Biggie with them. We need to place him and it seems like a great opportunity for you all based on age and location in NC. Its 3 hours away from Tarrboro! Please think through this and let me know your thoughts. We would like a yes or no reply by Saturday evening. We need to put a timing on it as if you decline, we will need to offer Biggie to another approved applicant to accommodate the timeline of the surrendering owner.
Christina Prange
8/20/21: Based on photos of her location and being an ADT owner, we collectively feel an HV is not needed. Kristen is approved for an Airedale and with the consent of the Board: Jackie, Christina and Pat.
Kristen will be offered Zella.
Annecy Airedale
Fri, Aug 20, 2:38 PM (1 day ago)
to me, Christina, JackieApplicant name: Kristen Shaw
Date of phone interview: 8/18/21
Status: Approved for home visit
I had a great conversation with Kristen Shaw. The dog who ends up with them is a very lucky dog indeed!
The couple has no children so Kristen’s time off work (she works 4 days/week) is focused on her dogs. She has a deep interest in dog behavior and training, and she is always reading up on pet related research/information. They generally always have two dogs, only having just one after one passes before they are ready for the next.
The Shaws’ dogs have lived good long lives and per the vet, North Greenville Animal Hospital, they keep their dogs up to date with flea/tick/heartwork meds. Currently, Louie, is on Frontline and Heartguard. Louise had a dental in March and Kristen regularly cleans his teeth (a few times a week). Kristen does all her grooming herself. Louie sleeps with them on the bed, although he knows he is not allowed on the downstairs furniture.
Louie goes to daycare once or more times per week has regular playdates with other dogs. Per Kristen and her personal reference, who is also their dogwalker, Louie is a great dog who is well socialized and gets along very well with other dogs. The Shaws purchased Louie from Sugar Grove Airedales when he was a puppy; he’s 5 now.
The Shaws have a pool so I asked about that and whether Louie was trained to stay away, etc. Kristen told me she trained Louie not only now to get out of the pool, but also how to get in the pool so that if he ever fell in by accident, he would be comfortable swimming and getting himself out. Every summer when they reopen the pool, they go through this training again. Currently only the area around the pool is fenced but they plan to fence in the entire yard now that they are ready for another dog. Louie has been trained to stay with them and has great recall so he’s never run off. The fence is a 5’ aluminum ‘wrought iron’ style fence. Their house backs up to a wooded area and they are close to a golf course so there are plenty of places for walking.
In addition to their Greenville home, the Shaws have a home in the North Georgia Mountains and on Hilton Head Island.
Kristen and Tony would not be averse to an ADT-mix. Kristen noted they would “probably prefer” another female, although they’d like one that is more standard size in the 50-60 lb. range. They also would prefer a young adult – over a year but less than 5 so the dog would be a good play/companian match for Louie. She has been looking at the ARG website for quite a while but waited until their Beagle-mix, George, passed and they were ready for their next dog before reaching out to us.
Kristen would be interested in volunteering! She also volunteered up photos of both Louie and their house so we could see his home situation (we should all be so lucky to be their dog, lol!). I’ll send those in follow up.
Mary
