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6/20/2022 on FB messenger
Hello Charleigh, I am following up on how things are going with Hugo. Have you decided to keep him and engage a trainer? Please let us know. We do have an interested adopter if you do want to rehome him. We do know how difficult the decision is to rehome a dog, but sometimes it is better for you and the dog. I have had to rehome a dog myself so I know the feeling. – Pat HairstonCharleigh: Hi there. Yes as of right now, I am going to keep him.
Tucker
3-ARG/Dogs Available/TuckerAiredale Rescue Group
6:23 PM (1 minute ago)
to kevin, Corbett, Christina, JackieHello Kevin and Corbett!
Congratulations, Corbett and Cheryl on your successful home visit. You are approved for adoption.
Kevin, Corbett, and Cheryl are very interested in tucker joining their family. They live in Gulf Breeze FL and have a 8-year-old spayed female Airedale.
If you all would connect and talk about Tucker. Kevin and his wife Chris have been fostering Tucker for several weeks and know his behavior and needs the best.
Please keep us posted if after talking you think Tucker is a fit.
Thank you,
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Most Grateful,
Pat Hairston, 910-200-5890
Airedale Rescue Group of South Carolina
http://www.airedalerescuegroup.com
http://www.facebook.com/groups/airedalerescuegroup
Saving Airedales in the Southeast since 2000Leach Approved
InboxTom Baker
5:41 PM (42 minutes ago)
to me, Christina, onerowdygator@gmail.comPat and Christina, we are approving Corbett and Cheryl Leach. Here are Janice LeCocq’s notes to me. She will be sending me her Home Visit form, and I’ll send that along to you just as soon as I can.
I think you are good to go as far as considering Leach for Tucker. Good luck with the placement!
Tom Baker
SAF Application Coordinator
772-530-5754
Jan’s Notes: Just finished the interview with Cheryl and Corbett. They are a great pair for a Airedales. I will write up more thorough notes tomorrow and send them to you. I would let them have my dogs! They are the best. If things don’t work out with Tucker, they would be a great candidate for some of the other dogs that you’re getting. They’re very flexible except they want a male. They don’t want two females together. I think that’s smart. Anyway I will send you my notes when I finish them off but I highly recommend them.
Mary-
Thanks for all your quick research!
I agree that the fencing is questionable.Yes the 18 yr old yorkie is truly a gift. My thought is they are planning for the months to come.
Pat
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 8:17 PM Annecy Airedale
Pat, Santa seems to be an Asian woman’s name and I’m pretty sure I found her on LinkedIn.Looking over the app, Santa notes their fence is under 4’. They have an 18 YO Yorkie (impressive!), Xerxes, so that would be sufficient for him but they would definitely need a taller fence for an Airedale. See the photo below from Google maps. I’m thinking that’s 30-36”. Otherwise, first impressions are good, which is a shame.
Mary-
Thanks for all your quick research!
I agree that the fencing is questionable.Yes the 18 yr old yorkie is truly a gift. My thought is they are planning for the months to come.
Pat
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 8:17 PM Annecy Airedale
Pat, Santa seems to be an Asian woman’s name and I’m pretty sure I found her on LinkedIn.Looking over the app, Santa notes their fence is under 4’. They have an 18 YO Yorkie (impressive!), Xerxes, so that would be sufficient for him but they would definitely need a taller fence for an Airedale. See the photo below from Google maps. I’m thinking that’s 30-36”. Otherwise, first impressions are good, which is a shame.
Mary-
Thanks for all your quick research!
I agree that the fencing is questionable.Yes the 18 yr old yorkie is truly a gift. My thought is they are planning for the months to come.
Pat
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 8:17 PM Annecy Airedale
Pat, Santa seems to be an Asian woman’s name and I’m pretty sure I found her on LinkedIn.Looking over the app, Santa notes their fence is under 4’. They have an 18 YO Yorkie (impressive!), Xerxes, so that would be sufficient for him but they would definitely need a taller fence for an Airedale. See the photo below from Google maps. I’m thinking that’s 30-36”. Otherwise, first impressions are good, which is a shame.
Lin Wetzel
Wed, Jun 15, 12:58 PM (1 day ago)
to Becky, me, Christina, JackieThanks for looking into this. Yes, I recommended ARG to John Finner as his Airedale had died recently and we share vets and groomers. Even in speaking to John, he was adamant that he did not want a foster to adopt situation, even though I advised him that he would get an Airedale sooner. John is the supposed tough-talker with a heart of gold. His foster / adoption contract was a surprise to me; and John being new to rescue, he may not have understood the concept.
My entire problem is the fact that their travel coordinator said in an email on surrender (on the other side of the state) that the dog could not walk, and John received a copy of that email. The Airedale travelled the entire length of NC, there are plenty of emergency vets in the transport near major cities — including those who have kennels — and at least three within a 45-minute drive of John’s home. Without knowing the extent of pain, extent of injury — they allowed this dog to be placed in a home with an injury instead of using one of the emergency vets / kennel for a quick examination and overnight stay.
Dr. Rikkman could NOT examine his paw four or five days after delivery to John’s home — which means that John adopted without knowing any of the extent of injury, but knowing that the dog needed medical care. My concern was simply — what if this dog bit John and/or Maggie in their cleaning of his paw, and the daily regime of cleaning the pad. John advised me that the paw was filled with pus, dirt and hair; and at times was still bleeding. If Dr. Rikkman couldn’t hold the dog for an examination; that meant the paw was sore and painful. That’s when bites happen.
Two things I was always taught was evaluation of the dog’s mentality / personality — especially when being touched prior to adoption; and also a full medical exam by a rescue vet, preferably one that is known — and to be honest, when trying to get the previous vet records / information from the owner’s vet — John commented that they were ‘vague’. And to read that the owner was searching for medical solutions on Facebook about the irritated paws and then the condition of the paw on surrender was neglect.
Knowing that the dog was injured, knowing that they received an email stating the Airedale had problems walking; the group went ahead and accepted the foster-to-adopt contract a few days after being placed — without being seen by ANY vet for the paw he could not put pressure on. No offer to send Hampton to an emergency vet for an exam, and no offer to pick up the tab at Four Paws while under the care of Dr. Rikkman until after the contract was signed. John’s a proud retiree, he’s not going to allow any financial responsibility after he signed the contract to adopt, but *he didn’t know the extent of the injury* — no one knew. And Pat asked me in an email to help to get John to accept the vet fee payments — to no avail. He’s the heart of gold.
John is one of those individuals who will talk about this to others, but not directly to ARG; as he feels now he’s rescued this dog that was placed with him, without help from the rescue group except for the delivery. He’s surrounded in St. James with other speciality breeders, he walks Hammy daily, he’s trying to visit the local dog parks and is now learning that Hammy is a bit aggressive when meeting new dogs; and he tells the story of “Airedale Rescue placed this dog with me with an injured paw that had pus, blood and dried hair in it… and he could hardly walk…” So it will get back to the rescue community soon as many are show breeders.
All I ask is that the guidelines set forth, from medical to personality evaluation, be completed prior to an adoption so that the adopter can get the full concept of what the dog does. If not, even Aires with Hammy’s personality will become a liability if they bite when frightened or when in pain; and I’ve seen former fosters bite when given to new families because they didn’t listen to what rescue advised them about their quirks of being touched. The safety of the Airedale and the humans adopting him are first priority. NAR has used kennels, and vets with kennels for safe-keeping so that evaluations could be completed; and in some instances, exams under anesthesia prior to placement.
Yes, John is extremely happy — when he’s not at the vet — he’s from Joey Finneran’s area — he loves hard and complains harder. He and Maggie love Hammy, love his antics, his counter surfing, his playfulness and his nose pokes when he awakens them. John feels that he’s rescued Hammy, and he has promised to take care of all of his medical needs — he loves this dog. But he feels that prior to coming into his home, Hammy wasn’t a priority for his first owner, nor for rescue. But he’s not going to say that to anyone in ARG directly, because he feels it should have been done the first time — and that time has passed, he’s responsible now and is doing the right thing. He owns Hammy now, and Hammy is his first priority. ARG should be thankful that he’s not tossing Hammy back simply for the cost of medical care required.
Lin
Becky Preston via airedalerescuegroup.com
Wed, Jun 15, 11:52 AM (1 day ago)
to Lin, info, Christina, airedalemail@comcast.netHi Lin,
Thank you for including me on this e-mail. I have spoken with ARG coordinator Pat Hairston and have gone over all of these points with them, as well as seeing Hampton’s vet records prior to going to the foster to adopt home. Remember, this was a Foster to Adopt situation. The only issue that I can find is that they did the adoption faster than I would recommend and they are aware of that issue. The dog was completely vaccinated and had a HW and fecal check in April 2022. Vaccinating him again, so soon after the ones in April, is not advisable. They and the foster to adopt person were aware of the foot problem and were planning on addressing it as soon as the dog was in the foster home.
I have looked at your email to Christine, Jackie and Pat, and it sounds like you know the person who has Hampton. If he has problems with ARG, he should address them with his questions.
If you have any more issues, please address them to myself and the NAR Board.Becky Preston
Chair
http://www.airedalerescue.netLin Wetzel
Mon, Jun 13, 5:31 PM (3 days ago)
to Airedale, Becky, Christina, airedalemail@comcast.net1. You never vetted the dog prior to sending it to an adoptive home. That’s not NAR’s guidelines.
2. You never vaccinated the dog, checked for microchip, HW, or any other parasites. That’s not NAR’s guidelines.
3. You never evaluated the dog for personality — and you being a trainer of support dogs, you know the importance of knowing if the dog is aggressive, scared, skittish when handled.
4. The dog went to the new owner with an infection in its paw, filled with pus, dried blood and hair. You’ve stated that the dog had allergies in one email, had a cyst removed in another, and now had a ‘wound’ — but you don’t know the exact cause of his bleeding but the Airedale needed to be put under anesthesia by the vet for an examination. Along with the mental evaluation, what would have happened if Hampton bit the new owners because of lack of a mental evaluation prior to adoption?
5. Basically, you took the word of Hampton’s previous owner, who used a vet, and searched on Facebook for medical advice. (Christine’s last email.) Even your own transport person said that the dog had problems and couldn’t walk properly — but no one stopped the transport to his new home to get him vetted.
6. John did not want to foster, he has stated that over and over. Yet, without the dog still being vetted by John’s vet, you accepted the adoption contract that he signed. John is a good-hearted soul, and had said that if a dog crosses his doorstep, he would not relinquish nor adopt. IF John was the foster, you never provided him with information as to the “first vet examination” billing. John has footed ALL vet bills from Hampton’s arrival with an infected paw.
7. You are not following NAR guidelines when placing a dog. Interviewing an applicant over the phone, John has no fenced yard, but has been an experienced Airedale owner. Does John and Maggie have small children visit, and how does Hampton interact with other dogs / children? You don’t know. Hampton needs training when seeing other dogs when walking / driving — he has an aggressive / barking nature.
8. It’s not bullying when asking honest questions as what did you do FOR this Airedale prior to placement, and when the answer is simply “transport from original owner to adoptive owner” with no evaluation, no vetting, no guidance to the adoptive owner as to personality, other dogs, aggressiveness, etc. — that’s not a good situation for anyone — the dog or the rescue. What if Hampton had bitten the new owners because of his pain in his paw? The vet couldn’t look at it without putting the dog under — think about Maggie and John attempting to clean it out daily.
Here are the guidelines, again for placing a dog if you’re a regional contact for NAR. The dog wasn’t even bathed before taken to the home; but MORE IMPORTANTLY, when does rescue give a NEW adoption applicant “foster-home status” immediately? John and Maggie are NOT experienced in any of the evaluations for personality / aggression / cats / dogs / children. And why on earth would you expect them to pay for initial examinations, vaccines, microchip, and testing IF they were foster status? Please tell me again how you are being an advocate for this particular Airedale when all you’ve done is deflect to the new adopter. When i fostered for Joey, NCAR and even ARG — every dog brought into my home had a vet visit to validate health, no contagious disease, no HW, and vaccinated if no vet records were available. That’s basic intake care of an Airedale through rescue.
If following written guidelines from NAR is bullying, it’s guidelines as what should be done for.each.dog prior to it being sent to it’s adoptive home.
There are no phone numbers listed under relinquish, adopt, contact us. None. Just your email of info@airedalerescue.org
You sent an unvetted and injured dog (allergies/cyst surgery/wound — y’all don’t know) to a new adopter without even a simple examination. Asking you to follow guidelines for proper placement is not bullying. It’s asking you to do the right thing. A newly adopted dog has to be put under anesthesia to have his paw cleaned out of pus, dried blood and hair; and you have no qualm that this isn’t a bad practice. And the newly adopted owner has to pay for it. And you can’t even define what caused this infection because you never had the dog evaluated by a vet before placement. That’s so wrong on so many levels. Yes, John and Maggie will care for this Airedale because they have fallen in love with him and they will happily spend the maximum amount to make sure Hammy is in the best of health — but that does not excuse ARG’s lack of vetting and evaluation prior to placement, NOR allowing the adopter to pay for the medical bills.
Again: from the NAR website entitled “Basic Policies”:
https://www.airedalerescue.net/policies-sp-885/about-us/policies-guidelines/rescue-policy
Before placement, all rescue dogs must be:
spayed or neuteredbathed and groomed (clipped or stripped)
checked for heartworm and parasites
brought up to date on shots based on the age of the dog, any known history of vaccinations, the law of your locale, and consultation with your veterinarian,
microchipped,
and
carefully evaluated for temperament & personality in order to be matched with an appropriate home
and
Prospective adopters must be thoroughly screened and evaluated for a suitable Airedale
and
All rescue dogs must be placed as house dogs with a securely fenced yard.
Any exceptions to the above policy based on special circumstances in the best interest of the rescue dog must be set out in writing in the adoption contract and are subject to review by the Committee. If it is determined that Committee guidelines and policies are not being followed, the rescue volunteer or group is subject to being removed from the official Airedale Rescue network roster.On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 4:33 PM Airedale Rescue Group
Lin-Our telephone numbers are in the website.
Hampton was moved in the best possible manner into a foster home. They choose adoption because they fell in love with him. We have had numerous discussions with the owners. Each time we talk with them there have been no issues with the manner in which Hampton has been handled. That includes another telephone call today. The only one having a problem is you and frankly it is none of your business.
ARG took in 36 dogs last year!! We are following guidelines and doing the best that can be done considering the very challenging rescue environment. It is very easy for an armchair quarterback to try to direct what is happening when they are not in the trenches.
We are done with your bullying. Either you want to work with us and for the dogs or you don’t. The manner in which you are dealing with this makes it clear that you do not.
Pat Hairston
ARG TeamOn Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 4:01 PM Lin Wetzel
Can one of you please call Jodi, she would like information or a phone number to contact one of you for an update on whether or not the donation is still required. She’s looked on your website, and no numbers are available.On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 3:45 PM Lin Wetzel
These are NAR guidelines.Before placement, all rescue dogs must be:
spayed or neutered
bathed and groomed (clipped or stripped)
checked for heartworm and parasites
brought up to date on shots based on the age of the dog, any known history of vaccinations, the law of your locale, and consultation with your veterinarian,
microchipped,and
carefully evaluated for temperament & personality in order to be matched with an appropriate home
and
Prospective adopters must be thoroughly screened and evaluated for a suitable Airedale
and
All rescue dogs must be placed as house dogs with a securely fenced yard.
Any exceptions to the above policy based on special circumstances in the best interest of the rescue dog must be set out in writing in the adoption contract and are subject to review by the Committee. If it is determined that Committee guidelines and policies are not being followed, the rescue volunteer or group is subject to being removed from the official Airedale Rescue network roster.
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What was listed above and is BASIC rescue ownership wasn’t done. ARG never took Hampton to a vet with his previous vet records. We’ve gone from “surgery on his paw” in one email to “allergies on his paw” in another to “wound of his paw” with no definite answer from a qualified vet — all that came from the owner, not a vet associated with ARG. What was actually the problem with that paw, was it a cyst removed; was it a wound from running and playing — but most important — why was it not cared for properly EVEN AFTER COMING INTO ARG ownership? What is the real story of his paw?Hampton had to be put under anesthesia to have that paw checked–that’s how painful it was and how he moved when touched. The paw was filled with pus, dried blood and mixed hair. The Airedale was never properly evaluated for temperament and personality after being taken into ARG ownership after surrender. What if Hampton had bitten John and Maggie when they went to touch his paw? AND, was he microchipped, had his vaccinations updated (if necessary), and was he tested for HW? No to all three. Those are the basics of rescue / placement of an Airedale.
He was transferred from his first home to a foster/adoptive home of NEW and potential adoptive parents who didn’t even have a home check. Do all new adoptive owners get put on the foster-to-adopt contract? And for God’s sake, why didn’t anyone ask John who his vet was and call ahead with the credit card to set up a vet invoicing back to ARG for the basic exam, routine shots, microchip validation, and “wound” exam? And why, when your transport volunteer sent an email to you AND THE NEW OWNER that said the Airedale couldn’t walk, wasn’t that process stopped, reevaluated, and a temp foster home found that could vet /evaluate him. And why would you accept a foster to adopt signed contract when the dog had not been to the vets in the first or second place? Doesn’t ARG want to know about the health of the dogs that they are placing once vetted by a different vet other than the owner’s?
You can’t continue to place dogs out of one home and into another based on what the owner says; dogs react differently in other environments. They react differently to different people.
What you’re doing isn’t rescue, read above the guidelines from NAR if you want to remain a regional contact. Ask NAR for monies for kennels, vets, transport, etc. But stop with just the verbal evaluation of the dog and placement into a home without a real evaluation — the safety of the adopters, their family, their home; and the safety of the dog has to be considered. You can’t give an honest placement of an Airedale without having a volunteer know the dog — owners lie all the time and owners will not admit little problems. Be thankful that Hampton was a well-rounded dog and one that didn’t try to bite, twist, jump, and run when trying to touch the paw or walk.
________________________Your ‘payments’ of adoption from shelters are nearing $500 in this area, you all know that Airedales are purchased for rescue and it has been done for decades. Fix-a-Friend here is $125 for a neuter and microchip!
Quit using the “we don’t purchase dogs” as an excuse, it’s old, out-dated and is a flat-out lie. The goal has always been to get them away from puppy mills, backyard breeders, hobby breeders, etc. The fact that this particular breeder has this dog advertised on Hoobley and Craig’s List, that she has updated the ad with better photos, and really wants to find him a good home speaks volumes from the puppy millers who will sell a half-dead dog for $300.
Maybe if you actually spoke to the owner instead of using a form email, you might get some better information from them as to the situation and be able to negotiate down to a “reasonable price.” Interviewing the dog’s owners is also part of rescue, to get them to open up about the dog. This particular handsome fellow is “AKC Male intact Airedale 18 months, house, crate and leash trained, Bit rusty on some commands but will sit, down, give paw, and loves to fetch. Has not been exposed to young children, OK with cats and other dogs.”
Did you happen to send this ad to any of your proposed adopters to adopt privately? The owner doesn’t have solid leads of new ownership if she’s updating the ads. Please let Jodi know if she doesn’t take the offer of $500 to place the dog into rescue. Many think of rescue as horrible, and will not associate with them. Jodi may send a private adopter to gather the dog before it gets into the hands of Amish or puppy millers, because as you can see — people don’t like ineffective rescue attempts.
I will continue to work with Jodi Goldberg, and other rescue contacts who know the ins and outs of the valid reasons for getting an intact male or female out of the southern puppy millers and the Amish northern puppy millers — as that’s a life of absolute nightmare for them. So don’t worry, your $$$ will remain intact and I won’t stress any of you ever again to “purchase” an Airedale that’s intact.
Y’all got a lot of changes to make to be a regional contact for NAR.
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Re: Rescue
3-ARG/ADMIN/LinWentzelAiredale Rescue Group
Mon, Jun 13, 4:32 PM (3 days ago)
to Lin, Becky, Christina, airedalemail@comcast.netLin-
Our telephone numbers are in the website.
Hampton was moved in the best possible manner into a foster home. They choose adoption because they fell in love with him. We have had numerous discussions with the owners. Each time we talk with them there have been no issues with the manner in which Hampton has been handled. That includes another telephone call today. The only one having a problem is you and frankly it is none of your business.
ARG took in 36 dogs last year!! We are following guidelines and doing the best that can be done considering the very challenging rescue environment. It is very easy for an armchair quarterback to try to direct what is happening when they are not in the trenches.
We are done with your bullying. Either you want to work with us and for the dogs or you don’t. The manner in which you are dealing with this makes it clear that you do not.
Pat Hairston
ARG TeamOn Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 4:01 PM Lin Wetzel
Can one of you please call Jodi, she would like information or a phone number to contact one of you for an update on whether or not the donation is still required. She’s looked on your website, and no numbers are available.Lin Wetzel
Mon, Jun 13, 3:45 PM (3 days ago)
to Christina, airedalemail@comcast.net, meThese are NAR guidelines.
Before placement, all rescue dogs must be:
spayed or neutered
bathed and groomed (clipped or stripped)
checked for heartworm and parasites
brought up to date on shots based on the age of the dog, any known history of vaccinations, the law of your locale, and consultation with your veterinarian,
microchipped,and
carefully evaluated for temperament & personality in order to be matched with an appropriate home
and
Prospective adopters must be thoroughly screened and evaluated for a suitable Airedale
and
All rescue dogs must be placed as house dogs with a securely fenced yard.
Any exceptions to the above policy based on special circumstances in the best interest of the rescue dog must be set out in writing in the adoption contract and are subject to review by the Committee. If it is determined that Committee guidelines and policies are not being followed, the rescue volunteer or group is subject to being removed from the official Airedale Rescue network roster.
______
What was listed above and is BASIC rescue ownership wasn’t done. ARG never took Hampton to a vet with his previous vet records. We’ve gone from “surgery on his paw” in one email to “allergies on his paw” in another to “wound of his paw” with no definite answer from a qualified vet — all that came from the owner, not a vet associated with ARG. What was actually the problem with that paw, was it a cyst removed; was it a wound from running and playing — but most important — why was it not cared for properly EVEN AFTER COMING INTO ARG ownership? What is the real story of his paw?Hampton had to be put under anesthesia to have that paw checked–that’s how painful it was and how he moved when touched. The paw was filled with pus, dried blood and mixed hair. The Airedale was never properly evaluated for temperament and personality after being taken into ARG ownership after surrender. What if Hampton had bitten John and Maggie when they went to touch his paw? AND, was he microchipped, had his vaccinations updated (if necessary), and was he tested for HW? No to all three. Those are the basics of rescue / placement of an Airedale.
He was transferred from his first home to a foster/adoptive home of NEW and potential adoptive parents who didn’t even have a home check. Do all new adoptive owners get put on the foster-to-adopt contract? And for God’s sake, why didn’t anyone ask John who his vet was and call ahead with the credit card to set up a vet invoicing back to ARG for the basic exam, routine shots, microchip validation, and “wound” exam? And why, when your transport volunteer sent an email to you AND THE NEW OWNER that said the Airedale couldn’t walk, wasn’t that process stopped, reevaluated, and a temp foster home found that could vet /evaluate him. And why would you accept a foster to adopt signed contract when the dog had not been to the vets in the first or second place? Doesn’t ARG want to know about the health of the dogs that they are placing once vetted by a different vet other than the owner’s?
You can’t continue to place dogs out of one home and into another based on what the owner says; dogs react differently in other environments. They react differently to different people.
What you’re doing isn’t rescue, read above the guidelines from NAR if you want to remain a regional contact. Ask NAR for monies for kennels, vets, transport, etc. But stop with just the verbal evaluation of the dog and placement into a home without a real evaluation — the safety of the adopters, their family, their home; and the safety of the dog has to be considered. You can’t give an honest placement of an Airedale without having a volunteer know the dog — owners lie all the time and owners will not admit little problems. Be thankful that Hampton was a well-rounded dog and one that didn’t try to bite, twist, jump, and run when trying to touch the paw or walk.
________________________Your ‘payments’ of adoption from shelters are nearing $500 in this area, you all know that Airedales are purchased for rescue and it has been done for decades. Fix-a-Friend here is $125 for a neuter and microchip!
Quit using the “we don’t purchase dogs” as an excuse, it’s old, out-dated and is a flat-out lie. The goal has always been to get them away from puppy mills, backyard breeders, hobby breeders, etc. The fact that this particular breeder has this dog advertised on Hoobley and Craig’s List, that she has updated the ad with better photos, and really wants to find him a good home speaks volumes from the puppy millers who will sell a half-dead dog for $300.
Maybe if you actually spoke to the owner instead of using a form email, you might get some better information from them as to the situation and be able to negotiate down to a “reasonable price.” Interviewing the dog’s owners is also part of rescue, to get them to open up about the dog. This particular handsome fellow is “AKC Male intact Airedale 18 months, house, crate and leash trained, Bit rusty on some commands but will sit, down, give paw, and loves to fetch. Has not been exposed to young children, OK with cats and other dogs.”
Did you happen to send this ad to any of your proposed adopters to adopt privately? The owner doesn’t have solid leads of new ownership if she’s updating the ads. Please let Jodi know if she doesn’t take the offer of $500 to place the dog into rescue. Many think of rescue as horrible, and will not associate with them. Jodi may send a private adopter to gather the dog before it gets into the hands of Amish or puppy millers, because as you can see — people don’t like ineffective rescue attempts.
I will continue to work with Jodi Goldberg, and other rescue contacts who know the ins and outs of the valid reasons for getting an intact male or female out of the southern puppy millers and the Amish northern puppy millers — as that’s a life of absolute nightmare for them. So don’t worry, your $$$ will remain intact and I won’t stress any of you ever again to “purchase” an Airedale that’s intact.
Y’all got a lot of changes to make to be a regional contact for NAR.
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Re: Rescue
3-ARG/ADMIN/LinWentzelChristina Prange
Mon, Jun 13, 2:15 PM (3 days ago)
to linwetzel@gmail.com, airedalemail@comcast.net, meHi Lin -your comments about ARG need to be clarified. There are three ARG volunteers (Pat, Jackie & Christina) who handle day to day ARG and we have three volunteers who interview applicants. We have many volunteers/adopters who help us with home visits, transports and other ARG needed details. One thing that ARG does not have a lot of is Foster Homes.
I believe there is misunderstanding about Hampton. First, we revealed to John & Maggie that Hampton had allergies and had problems with one paw in particular. John & Maggie said they had dealt with that with one of their ‘dales. Jackie had been in touch with the owner of Hampton from his entry into rescue until he was relinquished and had heard all about the paw problems and advised the owner who saw his vet over and over for this condition, who went to Holistic Airedale & Friends and other ADT FB sites for advice, who tried everything he could to help Hampton, and then finally had to relinquish him because of the owner’s ill health. Hampton was seen by his vet the week before he was transported to John & Maggie, again for his paw, at which time the vet said that it was not the same problem; rather it was a wound, it was treated and Hampton was fine. We knew that Hampton had been well cared for and loved and had no behavior problems, so we transported him straight from the owner to a foster to adopt. John & Maggie took Hampton in as a foster to adopt and within 48 hours contacted Pat and told her they wanted to adopt him. And in our contract, we specify that the adopter take the Airedale to their vet within 1 week to establish a baseline and detect any unknown issues. As soon as John told us about the paw and his vet, we offered to pay his medical bills which we have done for others and continue to do for any of our adoptees for a pre-existing condition. Pat specifically offered to pay. Jackie offered to pay what they had already paid to their vet for any future treatments, and over and over again, they have refused to accept reimbursement or future pay.
Thank you for coordinating the purchase donation for the puppy in Winston Salem. ARG has offer this to the breeder so that the dog can come into rescue. This offer was made this afternoon as a follow up to a conversation that was had with the Seller. We know that the Seller was evaluating a new home for him from her inquires receive.
Signed, Christina, Pat & Jackie
Christina Prange
919-605-4563—–Original Message—–
From: Lin Wetzel
Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2022 9:35 am
Subject: RescueI’m not sure what’s happened to ARG and it’s ability and willingness to rescue Airedales, but y’all need to stop making excuses for not doing the right thing the first time; and for letting $200 stop you from pulling in an intact male purchased for breeding. We all know that the rule “we don’t pay for Airedales” is an absolute lie, and an excuse. Jackie and I worked with SOAR on the purchase of puppies in TN for SOAR adopters just last Spring; Del Valley just purchased a pair or breeders that were advertised and had them in two days, vetted them, and they are now in homes. And I worked for Joey Finnergan, the creator of NAR who would pay $150 to $200 for Airedales 12 years ago. Stop using the “we only pay XXX” as an excuse.
Y’all know how expensive it is for vetting Airedales, the fact that this backyard breeder had his hips x-rayed says she’s spent some $$$ on him as an investment. I’ve seen donations from Airedale rescue groups to private Airedale owners for medical treatment of their dogs that were equal to and/or more than $500 – so we all know the money is there. If ARG needs money, y’all know a simple post on FB will bring in donations.
Rescue is just not transporting and/or deciding which dogs you want to help. You help them all. They come into a validated rescue home, get vetted, evaluated for temperament, and then are offered to adopters. This “from owner to adoptive home” transport system y’all are using is NOT rescue, and that’s even documented on the national airedale rescue page. You take in the 14-year-old Airedale even if you know they might only live another year or two — and you do it gladly; you do it for the Airedale.
I don’t know what’s happened to this rescue group, but you’re failed on a simple intake/vet/rehome that could have been a horrible incident if Hampton had reacted badly to his paw being touched and bit the new owner. You were notified when he was picked up with the first transport that he could not walk properly. Now a breeding male being advertised is not being addressed because you wanna follow the ‘rules’. Stop cherry-picking what rules you will and will not follow.
Either do rescue or leave, but don’t leave the dogs stranded to be backyard bred in the South.
What you’re doing isn’t rescue. Action, empathy, and placing Airedales is — vetted, groomed and evaluated Airedales to the right home. None of my fosters here in NC went to a home unvetted, ungroomed and/or not evaluated unless I was specifically told by the director. All were vetted, neutered, vaccinated, and groomed prior to leaving. You follow the damn rules, all of them.
Airedale Rescue Group
Mon, Jun 13, 11:49 AM (3 days ago)
to Becky, Jackie, ChristinaHello Becky,
ARG has an issue with a former volunteer spewing incorrect and hateful information to anyone who will listen to her. She is a person who seems to have a following of people.
We are trying to figure out how to defuse the comments. Do you have some time to chat with one of us?
Jackie Cash 901-438-5782
Pat Hairston 910-200-5890
Christina Prange 919-605-4563Thanks so much,
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Rescue
3-ARG/ADMIN/LinWentzelLin Wetzel
Mon, Jun 13, 9:35 AM (3 days ago)
to Christina, Jackie, meI’m not sure what’s happened to ARG and it’s ability and willingness to rescue Airedales, but y’all need to stop making excuses for not doing the right thing the first time; and for letting $200 stop you from pulling in an intact male purchased for breeding. We all know that the rule “we don’t pay for Airedales” is an absolute lie, and an excuse. Jackie and I worked with SOAR on the purchase of puppies in TN for SOAR adopters just last Spring; Del Valley just purchased a pair or breeders that were advertised and had them in two days, vetted them, and they are now in homes. And I worked for Joey Finnergan, the creator of NAR who would pay $150 to $200 for Airedales 12 years ago. Stop using the “we only pay XXX” as an excuse.
Y’all know how expensive it is for vetting Airedales, the fact that this backyard breeder had his hips x-rayed says she’s spent some $$$ on him as an investment. I’ve seen donations from Airedale rescue groups to private Airedale owners for medical treatment of their dogs that were equal to and/or more than $500 – so we all know the money is there. If ARG needs money, y’all know a simple post on FB will bring in donations.
Rescue is just not transporting and/or deciding which dogs you want to help. You help them all. They come into a validated rescue home, get vetted, evaluated for temperament, and then are offered to adopters. This “from owner to adoptive home” transport system y’all are using is NOT rescue, and that’s even documented on the national airedale rescue page. You take in the 14-year-old Airedale even if you know they might only live another year or two — and you do it gladly; you do it for the Airedale.
I don’t know what’s happened to this rescue group, but you’re failed on a simple intake/vet/rehome that could have been a horrible incident if Hampton had reacted badly to his paw being touched and bit the new owner. You were notified when he was picked up with the first transport that he could not walk properly. Now a breeding male being advertised is not being addressed because you wanna follow the ‘rules’. Stop cherry-picking what rules you will and will not follow.
Either do rescue or leave, but don’t leave the dogs stranded to be backyard bred in the South.
What you’re doing isn’t rescue. Action, empathy, and placing Airedales is — vetted, groomed and evaluated Airedales to the right home. None of my fosters here in NC went to a home unvetted, ungroomed and/or not evaluated unless I was specifically told by the director. All were vetted, neutered, vaccinated, and groomed prior to leaving. You follow the damn rules, all of them.
