Pat Hairston

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  • in reply to: Private: Lin Wentzel – DO NOT CALL, EMAIL or ENGAGE #29328
    Pat Hairston
    Keymaster

      12 of 82
      Re: Rescue
      3-ARG/ADMIN/LinWentzel

      Airedale Rescue Group
      Mon, Jun 13, 4:32 PM (3 days ago)
      to Lin, Becky, Christina, airedalemail@comcast.net

      Lin-

      Our telephone numbers are in the website.

      About ARG

      Hampton was moved in the best possible manner into a foster home. They choose adoption because they fell in love with him. We have had numerous discussions with the owners. Each time we talk with them there have been no issues with the manner in which Hampton has been handled. That includes another telephone call today. The only one having a problem is you and frankly it is none of your business.

      ARG took in 36 dogs last year!! We are following guidelines and doing the best that can be done considering the very challenging rescue environment. It is very easy for an armchair quarterback to try to direct what is happening when they are not in the trenches.

      We are done with your bullying. Either you want to work with us and for the dogs or you don’t. The manner in which you are dealing with this makes it clear that you do not.

      Pat Hairston
      ARG Team

      On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 4:01 PM Lin Wetzel wrote:
      Can one of you please call Jodi, she would like information or a phone number to contact one of you for an update on whether or not the donation is still required. She’s looked on your website, and no numbers are available.

      in reply to: Private: Lin Wentzel – DO NOT CALL, EMAIL or ENGAGE #29327
      Pat Hairston
      Keymaster

        Lin Wetzel
        Mon, Jun 13, 3:45 PM (3 days ago)
        to Christina, airedalemail@comcast.net, me

        These are NAR guidelines.

        Before placement, all rescue dogs must be:

        spayed or neutered

        bathed and groomed (clipped or stripped)

        checked for heartworm and parasites

        brought up to date on shots based on the age of the dog, any known history of vaccinations, the law of your locale, and consultation with your veterinarian,
        microchipped,

        and

        carefully evaluated for temperament & personality in order to be matched with an appropriate home

        and

        Prospective adopters must be thoroughly screened and evaluated for a suitable Airedale

        and

        All rescue dogs must be placed as house dogs with a securely fenced yard.

        Any exceptions to the above policy based on special circumstances in the best interest of the rescue dog must be set out in writing in the adoption contract and are subject to review by the Committee. If it is determined that Committee guidelines and policies are not being followed, the rescue volunteer or group is subject to being removed from the official Airedale Rescue network roster.
        ______
        What was listed above and is BASIC rescue ownership wasn’t done. ARG never took Hampton to a vet with his previous vet records. We’ve gone from “surgery on his paw” in one email to “allergies on his paw” in another to “wound of his paw” with no definite answer from a qualified vet — all that came from the owner, not a vet associated with ARG. What was actually the problem with that paw, was it a cyst removed; was it a wound from running and playing — but most important — why was it not cared for properly EVEN AFTER COMING INTO ARG ownership? What is the real story of his paw?

        Hampton had to be put under anesthesia to have that paw checked–that’s how painful it was and how he moved when touched. The paw was filled with pus, dried blood and mixed hair. The Airedale was never properly evaluated for temperament and personality after being taken into ARG ownership after surrender. What if Hampton had bitten John and Maggie when they went to touch his paw? AND, was he microchipped, had his vaccinations updated (if necessary), and was he tested for HW? No to all three. Those are the basics of rescue / placement of an Airedale.

        He was transferred from his first home to a foster/adoptive home of NEW and potential adoptive parents who didn’t even have a home check. Do all new adoptive owners get put on the foster-to-adopt contract? And for God’s sake, why didn’t anyone ask John who his vet was and call ahead with the credit card to set up a vet invoicing back to ARG for the basic exam, routine shots, microchip validation, and “wound” exam? And why, when your transport volunteer sent an email to you AND THE NEW OWNER that said the Airedale couldn’t walk, wasn’t that process stopped, reevaluated, and a temp foster home found that could vet /evaluate him. And why would you accept a foster to adopt signed contract when the dog had not been to the vets in the first or second place? Doesn’t ARG want to know about the health of the dogs that they are placing once vetted by a different vet other than the owner’s?

        You can’t continue to place dogs out of one home and into another based on what the owner says; dogs react differently in other environments. They react differently to different people.

        What you’re doing isn’t rescue, read above the guidelines from NAR if you want to remain a regional contact. Ask NAR for monies for kennels, vets, transport, etc. But stop with just the verbal evaluation of the dog and placement into a home without a real evaluation — the safety of the adopters, their family, their home; and the safety of the dog has to be considered. You can’t give an honest placement of an Airedale without having a volunteer know the dog — owners lie all the time and owners will not admit little problems. Be thankful that Hampton was a well-rounded dog and one that didn’t try to bite, twist, jump, and run when trying to touch the paw or walk.
        ________________________

        Your ‘payments’ of adoption from shelters are nearing $500 in this area, you all know that Airedales are purchased for rescue and it has been done for decades. Fix-a-Friend here is $125 for a neuter and microchip!

        Quit using the “we don’t purchase dogs” as an excuse, it’s old, out-dated and is a flat-out lie. The goal has always been to get them away from puppy mills, backyard breeders, hobby breeders, etc. The fact that this particular breeder has this dog advertised on Hoobley and Craig’s List, that she has updated the ad with better photos, and really wants to find him a good home speaks volumes from the puppy millers who will sell a half-dead dog for $300.

        Maybe if you actually spoke to the owner instead of using a form email, you might get some better information from them as to the situation and be able to negotiate down to a “reasonable price.” Interviewing the dog’s owners is also part of rescue, to get them to open up about the dog. This particular handsome fellow is “AKC Male intact Airedale 18 months, house, crate and leash trained, Bit rusty on some commands but will sit, down, give paw, and loves to fetch. Has not been exposed to young children, OK with cats and other dogs.”

        Did you happen to send this ad to any of your proposed adopters to adopt privately? The owner doesn’t have solid leads of new ownership if she’s updating the ads. Please let Jodi know if she doesn’t take the offer of $500 to place the dog into rescue. Many think of rescue as horrible, and will not associate with them. Jodi may send a private adopter to gather the dog before it gets into the hands of Amish or puppy millers, because as you can see — people don’t like ineffective rescue attempts.

        I will continue to work with Jodi Goldberg, and other rescue contacts who know the ins and outs of the valid reasons for getting an intact male or female out of the southern puppy millers and the Amish northern puppy millers — as that’s a life of absolute nightmare for them. So don’t worry, your $$$ will remain intact and I won’t stress any of you ever again to “purchase” an Airedale that’s intact.

        Y’all got a lot of changes to make to be a regional contact for NAR.

        in reply to: Private: Lin Wentzel – DO NOT CALL, EMAIL or ENGAGE #29326
        Pat Hairston
        Keymaster

          25 of 82
          Re: Rescue
          3-ARG/ADMIN/LinWentzel

          Christina Prange
          Mon, Jun 13, 2:15 PM (3 days ago)
          to linwetzel@gmail.com, airedalemail@comcast.net, me

          Hi Lin -your comments about ARG need to be clarified. There are three ARG volunteers (Pat, Jackie & Christina) who handle day to day ARG and we have three volunteers who interview applicants. We have many volunteers/adopters who help us with home visits, transports and other ARG needed details. One thing that ARG does not have a lot of is Foster Homes.

          I believe there is misunderstanding about Hampton. First, we revealed to John & Maggie that Hampton had allergies and had problems with one paw in particular. John & Maggie said they had dealt with that with one of their ‘dales. Jackie had been in touch with the owner of Hampton from his entry into rescue until he was relinquished and had heard all about the paw problems and advised the owner who saw his vet over and over for this condition, who went to Holistic Airedale & Friends and other ADT FB sites for advice, who tried everything he could to help Hampton, and then finally had to relinquish him because of the owner’s ill health. Hampton was seen by his vet the week before he was transported to John & Maggie, again for his paw, at which time the vet said that it was not the same problem; rather it was a wound, it was treated and Hampton was fine. We knew that Hampton had been well cared for and loved and had no behavior problems, so we transported him straight from the owner to a foster to adopt. John & Maggie took Hampton in as a foster to adopt and within 48 hours contacted Pat and told her they wanted to adopt him. And in our contract, we specify that the adopter take the Airedale to their vet within 1 week to establish a baseline and detect any unknown issues. As soon as John told us about the paw and his vet, we offered to pay his medical bills which we have done for others and continue to do for any of our adoptees for a pre-existing condition. Pat specifically offered to pay. Jackie offered to pay what they had already paid to their vet for any future treatments, and over and over again, they have refused to accept reimbursement or future pay.

          Thank you for coordinating the purchase donation for the puppy in Winston Salem. ARG has offer this to the breeder so that the dog can come into rescue. This offer was made this afternoon as a follow up to a conversation that was had with the Seller. We know that the Seller was evaluating a new home for him from her inquires receive.

          Signed, Christina, Pat & Jackie

          Christina Prange
          919-605-4563

          —–Original Message—–
          From: Lin Wetzel To: Christina Prange ; Jackie Cash ; Pat Nowak Hairston
          Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2022 9:35 am
          Subject: Rescue

          I’m not sure what’s happened to ARG and it’s ability and willingness to rescue Airedales, but y’all need to stop making excuses for not doing the right thing the first time; and for letting $200 stop you from pulling in an intact male purchased for breeding. We all know that the rule “we don’t pay for Airedales” is an absolute lie, and an excuse. Jackie and I worked with SOAR on the purchase of puppies in TN for SOAR adopters just last Spring; Del Valley just purchased a pair or breeders that were advertised and had them in two days, vetted them, and they are now in homes. And I worked for Joey Finnergan, the creator of NAR who would pay $150 to $200 for Airedales 12 years ago. Stop using the “we only pay XXX” as an excuse.

          Y’all know how expensive it is for vetting Airedales, the fact that this backyard breeder had his hips x-rayed says she’s spent some $$$ on him as an investment. I’ve seen donations from Airedale rescue groups to private Airedale owners for medical treatment of their dogs that were equal to and/or more than $500 – so we all know the money is there. If ARG needs money, y’all know a simple post on FB will bring in donations.

          Rescue is just not transporting and/or deciding which dogs you want to help. You help them all. They come into a validated rescue home, get vetted, evaluated for temperament, and then are offered to adopters. This “from owner to adoptive home” transport system y’all are using is NOT rescue, and that’s even documented on the national airedale rescue page. You take in the 14-year-old Airedale even if you know they might only live another year or two — and you do it gladly; you do it for the Airedale.

          I don’t know what’s happened to this rescue group, but you’re failed on a simple intake/vet/rehome that could have been a horrible incident if Hampton had reacted badly to his paw being touched and bit the new owner. You were notified when he was picked up with the first transport that he could not walk properly. Now a breeding male being advertised is not being addressed because you wanna follow the ‘rules’. Stop cherry-picking what rules you will and will not follow.

          Either do rescue or leave, but don’t leave the dogs stranded to be backyard bred in the South.

          What you’re doing isn’t rescue. Action, empathy, and placing Airedales is — vetted, groomed and evaluated Airedales to the right home. None of my fosters here in NC went to a home unvetted, ungroomed and/or not evaluated unless I was specifically told by the director. All were vetted, neutered, vaccinated, and groomed prior to leaving. You follow the damn rules, all of them.

          in reply to: Private: Lin Wentzel – DO NOT CALL, EMAIL or ENGAGE #29325
          Pat Hairston
          Keymaster

            Airedale Rescue Group
            Mon, Jun 13, 11:49 AM (3 days ago)
            to Becky, Jackie, Christina

            Hello Becky,

            ARG has an issue with a former volunteer spewing incorrect and hateful information to anyone who will listen to her. She is a person who seems to have a following of people.

            We are trying to figure out how to defuse the comments. Do you have some time to chat with one of us?

            Jackie Cash 901-438-5782
            Pat Hairston 910-200-5890
            Christina Prange 919-605-4563

            Thanks so much,

            in reply to: Private: Lin Wentzel – DO NOT CALL, EMAIL or ENGAGE #29324
            Pat Hairston
            Keymaster

              46 of 82
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              3-ARG/ADMIN/LinWentzel

              Lin Wetzel
              Mon, Jun 13, 9:35 AM (3 days ago)
              to Christina, Jackie, me

              I’m not sure what’s happened to ARG and it’s ability and willingness to rescue Airedales, but y’all need to stop making excuses for not doing the right thing the first time; and for letting $200 stop you from pulling in an intact male purchased for breeding. We all know that the rule “we don’t pay for Airedales” is an absolute lie, and an excuse. Jackie and I worked with SOAR on the purchase of puppies in TN for SOAR adopters just last Spring; Del Valley just purchased a pair or breeders that were advertised and had them in two days, vetted them, and they are now in homes. And I worked for Joey Finnergan, the creator of NAR who would pay $150 to $200 for Airedales 12 years ago. Stop using the “we only pay XXX” as an excuse.

              Y’all know how expensive it is for vetting Airedales, the fact that this backyard breeder had his hips x-rayed says she’s spent some $$$ on him as an investment. I’ve seen donations from Airedale rescue groups to private Airedale owners for medical treatment of their dogs that were equal to and/or more than $500 – so we all know the money is there. If ARG needs money, y’all know a simple post on FB will bring in donations.

              Rescue is just not transporting and/or deciding which dogs you want to help. You help them all. They come into a validated rescue home, get vetted, evaluated for temperament, and then are offered to adopters. This “from owner to adoptive home” transport system y’all are using is NOT rescue, and that’s even documented on the national airedale rescue page. You take in the 14-year-old Airedale even if you know they might only live another year or two — and you do it gladly; you do it for the Airedale.

              I don’t know what’s happened to this rescue group, but you’re failed on a simple intake/vet/rehome that could have been a horrible incident if Hampton had reacted badly to his paw being touched and bit the new owner. You were notified when he was picked up with the first transport that he could not walk properly. Now a breeding male being advertised is not being addressed because you wanna follow the ‘rules’. Stop cherry-picking what rules you will and will not follow.

              Either do rescue or leave, but don’t leave the dogs stranded to be backyard bred in the South.

              What you’re doing isn’t rescue. Action, empathy, and placing Airedales is — vetted, groomed and evaluated Airedales to the right home. None of my fosters here in NC went to a home unvetted, ungroomed and/or not evaluated unless I was specifically told by the director. All were vetted, neutered, vaccinated, and groomed prior to leaving. You follow the damn rules, all of them.

              Pat Hairston
              Keymaster

                Asked about Patton and did not respond

                Pat Hairston
                Keymaster

                  moved to not completed after offering 2 dogs and not responding

                  Pat Hairston
                  Keymaster

                    Pat Hairston
                    4:54 PM (1 hour ago)
                    to cgreendr

                    Hi Cindy,

                    Thanks for passing this note on.

                    Well, that is more detail than we got. The last message we had was get him out now or we will have him euthanized! We too have a lot of thoughts as to what could have happened.

                    Because they gave us no information on the training they used and would not give any specifics, ARG will likely not foster or adopt to them.

                    Chewie is a challenge but with the right direction, he has proved to you and now Jessica that he is trainable. He just needs the right person.

                    Pat

                    Pat Hairston
                    Keymaster

                      cgreendr
                      4:06 PM (2 hours ago)
                      to me

                      Pat,
                      I received this text today and just passing on to you. I haven’t replied and of course I have a lot of thoughts about what went wrong in that household .

                      “Hi this is Edward Gagnon. Leslie and I have been very concerned that Chewie found a good home. We loved him and he became very attached to Leslie and protective of our house. Leslie had done a lot of training with him and they loved each other. He is very smart and was learning the rules of our home. He learned where we kept his food and would wait by the laundry roomb door at mealtime. Leslie even trained to lay down and wait until she put the food down and gave him permission to eat. He even would get his leash and wait by the door to go out. When it was only barking at people coming in the yard we could cope with that but he became very protective of Leslie and would not let me in the bedroom when Leslie went to bed first. The last night we had him he was guarding the bedroom door so I just went in to a recliner in our Carolina room. Sometime after I was asleep he decided to “patrol” the house. He found me and treated me as an intruder. I woke up with him growling and snapping at my face. Thankfully I had a blanket to fend him off or I think I would have been bitten.
                      If you would consider letting us try to foster another Airedale we would like to try to adopt in September when we get back from Egypt.”

                      Hope you are having a great weekend,
                      Cindy

                      in reply to: 2022-15 Hugo, Male-N, 7 months, Greensboro NC #29276
                      Pat Hairston
                      Keymaster

                        Jackie M. Cash via airedalerescuegroup.com
                        Attachments
                        Thu, Jun 9, 2:45 PM (21 hours ago)
                        to Beth, info

                        Hi, Beth. I’ve attached a photo of the little guy. OMG, he’s so cute. The owner got him as a 6-wk-old pup so he lacks proper socialization and didn’t learn bite inhibition from his mom or littermates. But he is all Airedale. He loves other dogs and every person he meets, but he’s already the boss of the house over the single 25-y-o woman who hides from him in the bathroom or sits in her car to keep away from his nipping. She spanks him with a magazine to get him to mind! I told her that Airedales do not respond to punitive corrections. She says he freaks out in the crate and she uses that for time-outs, and I suspect it’s for long periods of time. She keeps him in there until he stops barking. She says Hugo doesn’t nip at her boyfriend because he’s tall and stands over Hugo and tells him NO in a stern voice. I told her to work on that herself and to keep Hugo on a leash in the house so that she can stop any unwanted behavior before it starts.

                        Hugo was neutered last week and has no problems with his incision and has been vaxed and is up to date. He eats well, loves to ride in the car, loves to go on walks, loves to cuddle, and loves to play. She claims to walk him 2x a day 2 miles each time.

                        She has not used any professional trainers for him because they’re too expensive but she’s read a lot online and nothing she has tried works for him and she said: “he’s mean to her.” Sigh.

                        We absolutely want him in an Airedale-experienced home with someone who knows how to train that pup and how to teach him to be gentle. I hope that’s you, Beth!

                        Let me know what you think. Thank you!

                        in reply to: 2022-15 Hugo, Male-N, 7 months, Greensboro NC #29275
                        Pat Hairston
                        Keymaster

                          6/10/22 Requested bloodwork results from owner.

                          6/9/22 – Jackie in email convo with Beth Stafford.

                          Pat Hairston
                          Keymaster

                            Mary: Samia Smith – I spoke only to Simia. She hasn’t had a dog since she was growing up. Her husband, Doug, has had a dog but it was ‘a long while ago. Her brother-in-law has an Airedale, which is how they are familiar with the breed. This dog is 9 and the b-in-l has had him since a puppy. The lack of pets in recent years explains why they have no vet/groomer references They are interested in a puppy or young adult (<5). Size-wise, they are looking for a medium sized dog up to 75 pounds tops. They would like to take him/her for walks and runs; she mentioned also running the dog alongside their bike (good luck with that, lol!) but I told them that was probably not a good idea given their high prey drive and they might end up doing a face-plant if a squirrel or cat ran by.

                            The couple has a good-sized lot but it is currently unfenced. I told her we don’t recommend an unfenced yard for an Airedale, reiterating about their prey drive. I also spoke about those times when walking is just not feasible, for whatever reason, and having a fenced yard will allow the dog to run in the yard. Although we do know a few folks who don’t have unfenced yards, given
                            this couple has not had any dog in years, maybe decades, and never an Airedale, I would not recommend them unless they do fence the yard. They had been thinking whether to fence or not and based on our discussion, it seemed like they would. They do not have any other pets.

                            Simia listened well to my suggestions and she and Doug also have an awareness of the costs for general care, food, etc. ($1,000 – $2,000). They would take the dog to obedience classes and the dog would mostly have the run of the house when they’re home or would stay in the basement or sunroom when they are not. She also notes microchipping the dog, flyers, and social media
                            should the dog get lost, which shows forethought of possibilities.
                            M
                            y recommendation for them is to require they fence the yard; the home visit could be done after the yard is fenced or with stipulation they send us a photo of the new fence. Perhaps a dog on the higher end of their requested age range (5, even 6, 7, or 8) might be a better start for them. Simia’s personal reference gave her glowing reviews. She knows her from when they both worked at a VA medical center and then VA assisted living home working with geriatrics. She has never seen her not patient; she is very compassionate and responsible. Both Simia and her reference, Stephanie, have/had spouses in the military. Doug, Simia’s husband, is still in the military. Stephanie has 3 Yorkies and 3 cats so I asked her if she would trust Simia with her
                            dogs if something happened to them and she told me absolutely.

                            Next step: schedule home visit with the stipulation the yard must be fenced in order to receive a dog.

                            in reply to: 2022-15 Hugo, Male-N, 7 months, Greensboro NC #29261
                            Pat Hairston
                            Keymaster

                              Jackie M. Cash
                              12:51 PM (1 hour ago)
                              to Charleigh, Airedale

                              Hello, again, Charleigh. Thank you for taking the time to talk to me about Hugo and your wish to relinquish him to ARG. We understand how difficult it can be to train an Airedale pup, especially one who has been separated from its mother and littermates at such a young age.

                              I don’t think we’ll have any problem finding someone appropriate to adopt Hugo and we will start checking through our approved applicants and former adopters immediately.

                              Please ask your vet, Banfield, to email Hugo’s complete medical records to us at info@airedalerescuegroup.com or fax to 815-301-2959. If you have his registration and puppy papers from the breeder, please also forward those to us. We do not provide those to adopters, but we like to know where the pup came from. It helps us if we encounter other Airedales from the same breeder.

                              As we discussed, for the time being, try keeping Hugo on a leash even in the house so that you can correct his behavior before he tries to bite or tries to poop in the house. Make him sit. Use your boyfriend’s stance and tone to correct him; no spanking. Keep his time-outs to 10 minutes or less; after that time, he no longer associates being in the crate with whatever he has done. Airedales do best with praise for doing what you ask rather than punishment for what you didn’t want.

                              Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Otherwise, we will be back in touch soon.

                              Jackie Cash | 901-438-5782

                              Pat Hairston
                              Keymaster

                                Fostering Tucker. He needs to be in his own home.

                                Want to adopt. River… likely.

                                Pat Hairston
                                Keymaster

                                  Declined Patton.

                                  mrbearwoods2@aol.com
                                  12:21 PM (1 hour ago)
                                  to info, JetStar511, mcprange, airedalemail

                                  Thank you so much for letting us know about this beautiful girl. Judy and I discussed it, based on the info you provided below. Unfortunately, we live in a small, closed neighborhood with lots of dogs being walked, cats roaming free, not to mention wildlife from deer to squirrels, and just about everything in between. Given Patton’s dislike of other dogs and her weight we feel that we are not the best location/owners for Patton.

                                  We wish you and her good fortune in finding a forever home for this lovely girl. WJT

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