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04/21/18:On April 21, 2018 at 7:06 PM Molly Pike wrote:
We were all in the back yard in Springfield. I threw a stick. Judah got there first. Po said no. Judah grabbed her. Got her by the back of the neck and wouldn’t let go. I must have been screaming at him. He flipped her on her back and still had her by the neck. I thought he was going to kill her before I could get him off her. Neighbors heard and came running. A guy jumped the fence and started kicking and hitting Judah. He finally let go of Po. The guy held Judah till I got Po inside. Then I got Judah and put him in the car. We drove straight to blue pearl. They checked her out – only a scratch. No puncture wounds!!! Judah got a scratch on his ear. I got the most damage!
So all is fine! They scared me to death! Po still has long hair so evidently Judah just had her by the hair. The guy that helped me even said something about Po bleeding and getting her to the vet. I was so worn out I almost could not walk! Boy I am out of shape!
Sorry for the scare. I just thought it was bad. These terriers!!! Never know what will be next. 🙂
Molly got bitten on the head but not badly. She’s fine.
JMC looking for trainers in Franklin area.
Emailed Lisa at the Pawsitive Professor.
Emailed https://sabradogtraining.com/contact/
Emailed Stacy Paich at stacy@mypolitepup.com04/24/18: Karen Comstock with Lucky Dogs WNC has quoted $110-130 for initial assessment of Lilly with the Hoags. They have an appointment at their home at 5:45 p on May 2nd. Lance & Maria have been notified.
Business Phone: (828) 489-8344
Business Email: AuntKaren@LuckyDogsWNC.com
04/23/18:
JMC: I’ve contacted http://www.petbehavioraid.org/home.html and submitted an email asking if they can help with Lilly.
Another: http://luckydogswnc.com/04/23/18:
JMC: I’ve contacted http://www.petbehavioraid.org/home.html and submitted an email asking if they can help with Lilly.
Another: http://luckydogswnc.com/04/23/18: From Lance re Lilly:I’m reaching out for recommendations of local expert to help Lilly warm up to Afton. Lilly, of course is very affectionate with me, and is completely tolerant of Marie, and nearly completely so with Delia (7).
Afton (4) is a different story. He has never shown Lilly anything but utter gentleness and affectionate intentions. He has been excellent adhering to the rule of “Gentle on the back and sides only, never the face, ears, tail or underbelly”. However, Lilly is more than cold to him. Rather, she has been unsettlingly aggressive…growling, bearing teeth, and snapping at him a few times. She has marked him on the head and face several times, and couple times on the hand. All accounts came in response to Afton very gently and with much care trying to pet her. Also standing near her when she’s eating. She even turned on me once as I brushed past her as she was eating, and thought I was Afton or Delia. Last night, he simply sat down next to her and she got ugly with him, and he hadn’t made physical contact. This is the usual scenario.
I hoped she would eventually choose to accept him as she did with Delia, but doesn’t seem to be happening. If anything the issue has worsened, rather than improved.
In my opinion, I think Lilly refuses to accept him as equals, much less above her in the pack hierarchy, as he is the only one in the pack that is physically smaller than her. She seems to be jealous of attention Afton receives from me, and resent him for our insisting that she is not above him in the pecking order. Delia was initially treated the same, but Lilly eventually accepted her after I had Delia assume the job of feeding her. Lilly now even responds well to Delia’s “sit” command, and the momentary wait to be released to eat what Delia had just given her. Afton now has this job, again trying demonstrate that even Afton controls her food, thus above her in the pecking order. Lilly isn’t buying it as she did with Delia. I’ve tried making petting Lilly a combined effort with Afton and I to show her that is okay, and my desire that she allow him to love on her without her aggressive response. I also let Afton hold the leash on walks (it’s also clipped to me for security) to demonstrate Afton is granted some level of dominance over her role in the pack. I think this was also helpful with Delia, but not effective with our smallest one.
So a wall of text later, I’m asking for advice, or recommendations for local trainer that we can work with to get past this problem that’s not fixing itself with time. It’s not a daily thing, but I need to be comfortable with them together. It’s more than a little unfair, and even heartbreaking at times that everyone can play with and love on Lilly, except Afton…especially given that Afton has little to no fault in the problem.
04/23/18 From Lance to jmc:
I’m reaching out for recommendations of local expert to help Lilly warm up to Afton. Lilly, of course is very affectionate with me, and is completely tolerant of Marie, and nearly completely so with Delia (7).Afton (4) is a different story. He has never shown Lilly anything but utter gentleness and affectionate intentions. He has been excellent adhering to the rule of “Gentle on the back and sides only, never the face, ears, tail or underbelly”. However, Lilly is more than cold to him. Rather, she has been unsettlingly aggressive…growling, bearing teeth, and snapping at him a few times. She has marked him on the head and face several times, and couple times on the hand. All accounts came in response to Afton very gently and with much care trying to pet her. Also standing near her when she’s eating. She even turned on me once as I brushed past her as she was eating, and thought I was Afton or Delia. Last night, he simply sat down next to her and she got ugly with him, and he hadn’t made physical contact. This is the usual scenario.
I hoped she would eventually choose to accept him as she did with Delia, but doesn’t seem to be happening. If anything the issue has worsened, rather than improved.
In my opinion, I think Lilly refuses to accept him as equals, much less above her in the pack hierarchy, as he is the only one in the pack that is physically smaller than her. She seems to be jealous of attention Afton receives from me, and resent him for our insisting that she is not above him in the pecking order. Delia was initially treated the same, but Lilly eventually accepted her after I had Delia assume the job of feeding her. Lilly now even responds well to Delia’s “sit” command, and the momentary wait to be released to eat what Delia had just given her. Afton now has this job, again trying demonstrate that even Afton controls her food, thus above her in the pecking order. Lilly isn’t buying it as she did with Delia. I’ve tried making petting Lilly a combined effort with Afton and I to show her that is okay, and my desire that she allow him to love on her without her aggressive response. I also let Afton hold the leash on walks (it’s also clipped to me for security) to demonstrate Afton is granted some level of dominance over her role in the pack. I think this was also helpful with Delia, but not effective with our smallest one.
So a wall of text later, I’m asking for advice, or recommendations for local trainer that we can work with to get past this problem that’s not fixing itself with time. It’s not a daily thing, but I need to be comfortable with them together. It’s more than a little unfair, and even heartbreaking at times that everyone can play with and love on Lilly, except Afton…especially given that Afton has little to no fault in the problem.
04/20/18 from Kim Astler-Rosenstein:
Kim Astler declined Maggie bc their Airedale boy has some problems with one of his legs: angular limb deformity, so they need to concentrate on him.04/19/18: Kim Astler declined Maggie bc their Airedale boy has some problems with one of his legs: angular limb deformity, so they need to concentrate on him.
Retroactive March 2018: She’s having knee surgery later this year and wouldn’t want to bring a dog in that she’d have to leave when she goes to her sister’s to recuperate.
04/19/18:
Alexandria Day
2306 Boulevard Granada
Atlanta GA (she’s moving from here on 04-22-18)
678 314 4801 cell04/19/18: jmc and kim astler-rosenstein
Hi, Kim. I appreciate your response and understand your situation. I am so sorry that your boy has had to have surgery at such a young age! Was he injured? I hope that he doesn’t need more surgery. It can take a long time to heal.We will keep you in our “approved” list and let you know if we have one that we think would be a good match. Do let me know how Beckett does and let me know when you think you are ready for another. We’ll be here.
Jackie Cash | 901-438-5782
http://www.airedalerescuegroup.com
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On April 19, 2018 at 1:22 PM Kim Astler-RosensteinJackie,
After some hard thinking and discussion, Kim and I have decided this is not a good time for us to take on a new dog.
Kim will be traveling about 5 out of the next 10 weeks. That would leave me alone with two dogs both a little high needs.
Also what I did not tell you on the phone is that Becks has had some issues with his R front leg. He had one surgery 6 months ago and may
need a second.
Thank you for reaching out to me. I wish our situation were different but for right now, I have all I can handle. It would not be fair to Maggie and I would not want to
take her and not be able to fulfill that commitment to her.
Please keep us on your list. And Beckett may not need that second surgery, fingers crossed.
I would not rule out another dog when circumstances are different for us.Best Wishes and I hope you fine a great home for Maggie.
Kim
04/18/18: Text btw Bay, Alexandria (678-314-4801, in Atlanta, fostering Hampton), and jmc:
BY:
Alexandria meet Jackie Cash. Jackie is the our volunteer who makes the placements. The first family in spartsnburg declined because they are now moving to Asheville and this is not a good time. Jackie is working with the next person who is approved and waiting. Jackie may text or call you after work hours for a bit more info on Hampton. When Jackie feels she has a possible adoptive she will contact you so you can speak with them as the foster mom who knows the most about Hampton. Let me know when I can PayPal the fee and $$ to you.A: Okay great! Thanks so much!! I’m leaving work now and will send you the info when I get home.
BY: Thank you. We are looking for the basic info weight records anything you think makes the best home for him
A: Ok. He’s underweight and fluffy so don’t think his weight is his size. He should be about 15lbs bigger
Jackie04/18/18: From Molly:
Yes, he has always had diarrhea. I was not surprised about it at first due to normal stress. He has not gone in my car. He tries not to go in his crate. Has not gone in the house. The meds will stop the diarrhea for now but it will come back if it is stress related. I think the meds will probably take care of the parasites. The anti-anxiety meds may really help him right now.04/18/18: JMC: We’ve been going back and forth as to whether Virgilynne wants to adopt Judah. Since Molly has had him, he’s had diarrhea a lot. She took him to the vet 10 days or so ago and they put him on anti-diarrheal drugs and also gave him something for anxiety. Yesterday, 04/17/18, the vet kept him overnight to administer drugs for his giardia. As a result of the diagnosis of giardia, Virgilynne doesn’t want him because she’s afraid he will infect Mandy.
(See Judah’s posts for Molly’s notes on him.)
Find another dog for Virg.
