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04/18/18: From Cindy:
Thank you for covering Maggie’s vet bill today . She received her shots, a vet exam, heart worm test and fecal test. I can send a copy of the invoice if you need for your records. Maggie did very well at vet except for the blood withdrawal – she screams bloody murder. Still working on teaching her that handling of her paws and front legs is all good.
Maggie also graduated today to what we call “the big yard” at Woofers. This is the large compound where dogs with good social skills can have lots of room to play and enjoy the pool. She did wear a long line for a few leash corrections when she got a little rough with play. She was really excellent even with the smaller dogs.04/17/18: They’re moving to Asheville, NC. in early June. So they are not in the market till after they move and get settled in Asheville. They’re having a hard time finding a house to buy in Asheville. Told her I’d put out some feelers.
04/16/18: From Cindy:
She is doing well . Continuing to work on introducing her to the world . She is riding much better in the car but needs to be reminded to to stay in a down when you first start out.We have been walking and practicing in lots of environments. We watched the local college tennis team practice this week with lots of noises and balls flying . We worked up to standing right on the fence and she was great.
Went to Lowes and watched lots of people coming and going, guys let us stand close while they loaded soil with a fork lift. She was great and got lots of compliments.
Her main issue now is seeing other dogs on leash. I think deer are just big dogs to her. She wants to charge in and great them with paws on. Will be practicing at the vet, at Petsmart as well as the parking lot at Woofers to desensitize her to this trigger.
Any new interest in big girl?Cindy
The Edgertons decline Maggie.
04/17/18: JMC talked to Kim Astler about her.
04/17/18: JMC called and left vm for Kim Astler re Maggie. With their outdoor run, they might be a very good home!
Kim returned my call. She is interested in Maggie, even though they bought an Airedale puppy from Suzanne Schneider last year. He’s a year old and a wild child, working on obedience.
04/17/18: JMC sent Gina email:
Morning, Gina. Thank you for calling yesterday to talk about your Airedale girl, Aggie. I do have questions about what we discussed.1. Are your other Airedales also spayed/neutered?
2. Which of your Airedales is “alpha” or most dominant?
3. What are the ages of each Airedale?
4. What were the circumstances surrounding Aggie’s attack on the other female?
5. Did you say that she has attacked the female again?
6. What were the circumstances surrounding Aggie’s attack on the male Airedale?
7. Are they all fed at the same time and within view of each other?
8. Do they each have their own crate and all go in and come out at the same time?
9. Do they share toys?And, finally, please complete the Relinquishment form and send photos so we have all the information on your girl.
We feel certain we can place Aggie. The more information we have, the better we can match her to the right home.
Thank you, Gina.
04/16/18: Gina Mabie called me this afternoon. At first teary, she then went on to describe an that has started exhibiting bizarre behavior. Her Airedale, Maggie, is one of 3 in the family. Maggie is about 2 to 2-1/2 (can’t recall exactly). All of them are about the same age. All spayed/neutered. Maggie has begun attacking the other female, though they’ve always been together. And she has now attacked the male. In addition to this, she has always been a very timid girl – from the time they got her as a pup. She has become more timid/fearful and sometimes appears to be afraid to come into the house, sometimes is afraid to go into her crate, sometimes is afraid to come out of her crate, and sometimes refuses to go for rides in the car.
They have 4 children, ages 5, 7, and two teenagers, all of whom interact with her and she loves them. She seems to be afraid of men, though she’s always been fine with the husband and prior to him, Gina’s previous boyfriend.
There is a lot of stress in the home right now, because of the 4 children, 3 dogs, the mom is going to college, and they’re getting ready to move to the West Coast. (I don’t know the timing on that.)
They have taken Maggie to the vet and had her checked out to see if she’s possibly in pain or sick. She checked out fine. I asked if they had consulted a trainer, but they have not and don’t have the time to do that.
I’ve asked for the Relinquishment Form and photos.
04/12/18: Awaiting vet, groomer, and personal reference info before moving this applicant to home visit.
From: Jackie Cash
To: Wayne.Lee2029@gmail.com
Cc: Barbara Yager
Date: April 12, 2018 at 2:24 PM
Subject: Airedale RescueHello, Wayne. It was nice talking to you just now and I appreciate your interest in a rescued Airedale. You are right that Airedales are very smart dogs, highly trainable, and very energetic and athletic. Your and LaDestiny’s Airedale, H2O, sounds like a great dog. What a name! I’m glad that her son is not allergic to him; many people with allergies can tolerate Airedales.
Your family wants an Airedale as a good companion to H2O and just because you love the breed. You’ve explained that H2O loves being outside more than inside, though he does come inside, both in the basement and upstairs. I explained that we require that Airedales adopted through our organization be kept as inside dogs and that they’re never allowed to be outside unattended, even in a fenced area. You have stated that the Airedale being an inside dog is not a problem – wherever it is more comfortable.
Your family wants a female Airedale, younger than your H2O, who is 5, say about 1-2 years old.
Please provide me with the name and number of your vet and of your groomer, information that was not included on your application. We will contact your vet and groomer for a referral. Please also provide a personal reference and their phone number.
After we’ve spoken to your vet and references, we will enlist a volunteer who lives near you to do your home visit. I will introduce you to that person via email and then leave it to y’all to work out the date and time that is mutually convenient.
Let me know if you have further questions as we go along. I look forward to getting your vet and other information.
Thank you for considering a rescued Airedale.Jackie Cash | 901-438-5782
04/09/18: Cindy’s response to Eric & Terri:
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From: Cindy2
To: Eric Edgerton
Date: April 9, 2018 at 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Airedale MaggieEric,
A call tomorrow after 2:30 will work fine. Also I work part time at a dog business in Florence and could be free for a visit after 2:00 on Wednesday or Friday. It would be nice for you to meet her and get a an understanding of her needs and challenges.
Maggie original surrender papers stated she was terrible about being groomed. I have been brushing her and raking her coat regularly and she has become good about this but does not like her paws handled. I can give you more details on some of the work I have done for this issue.
Not sure what you mean by “ have her ears been fixed” but if you are asking if her ears were set as a puppy my guess is no. In the photo below you can see that her ears have no forward arch. Also her left ear is a partially abbreviated ear also called a cauliflower ear. If she was born this way it would not have been possible to set both ears correctly. Her tail is docked correctly.
I look forward to talking to you and telling you more about Maggie.04/09/18: JMC spoke to both Eric & Terri Edgerton and they are interested in Maggie. JMC put them in touch with Cindy Green via email so they can speak with her about the good, the bad, the ugly.
From: Maureen Williamson
To: Jackie Cash
Cc: Barbara Yager
Date: April 9, 2018 at 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Airedale for You?Jackie – Thank you so much for the candor of your response. Richard and I talked about it and we do not feel we are well positioned to take on Maggie right now. Please allow me to explain our decision.
We know Maggie. She is a version, worse off no doubt, of our Punkin who was placed with us by Joey Fineran. Punkin was a very high quality show dog puppy that had been purchased at 8 weeks by two surgeons and basically forgotten about. Crated or left in a yard, no effort at socialization or training, erratic feeding etc. When she was about six months old, the administrative assistant of one of the surgeons forced an intervention and Punkin was placed in Rescue where Joey fostered her in her own home for three months. As it happened while Punkin was with Joey, I had contacted ARDV about a companion for our then 4 year old Airedale Molly. Joey quizzed me a lot about Molly and I explained that Molly was smart and that from birth she was charismatic and a diva in all respects. That she simply commanded the room and absolutely captivated any one, man or dog, that came into contact with her. Based upon that description Joey consented to an interview and Molly, Richard and I headed to her home in Pennsylvania.
Punkin was a wonderful girl, just like Maggie is I am certain, but she was by far the most complex of our now six Airedales. She was always cautious, she was playful with Molly and very affectionate with Richard and I but always slept in a separate bedroom, she had a very high prey drive and was more than a little willing to mix it up if a small female terrier growled, as we all know they are prone to do. It was years before we came to understand that Joey placed Punkin with Molly, not Richard and I – that the winning interview was Molly’s and that it was under Molly’s guidance that Punkin was able to blossom. She became more confident and sure of herself in all situations because of Molly. Whether at home, at the dog park or in social situations Molly gave off a resounding “she’s with me” vibe that allowed Punkin to be a little more confident, to relax and thrive.
When Molly died at ten Punkin was lost. My sister and others would come over with visiting dogs – all good, fun dogs yet Punkin showed little interest, she remained aloof.
Of course I called Joey. She said – “I do not have the right one for her now. I will recognize the one and I will call you”.
Three months later Joey called. She said: “He is about two years old, handsome and well trained”. She advised, if you are interested Bob Harding will drive him to the Eastern Shore to see if the match will work. Of course we said yes. So the following Saturday morning Richard, Punkin and I were waiting patiently for Bob to arrive and introduce us all to “PJ”. We had a long driveway in the Maryland house and as Bob walked up that driveway toward our back gate with PJ, Richard and I could not believe our eyes. Joey had neglected to say that PJ was A VERY BIG BOY by Airedale standards – as it turns out a very proportionate and robust 95 pounds. Richard exclaimed “I am not sure if I can walk them both”! But into the yard PJ and Bob came and we all saw it with our own eyes. Punkin lit up! They started to run and play and we saw a Punkin we had not seen in many months and we saw a dog in PJ that was relaxed and apparently quite satisfied with his new companion. We knew instantly that even if PJ was as big as an elephant he was home to stay. He just moved right in, didn’t miss a beat and over the years when we walked the two of them you could almost hear Punkin say “He’s with me”.
Jackie – You are far more experienced than I am with Airedales. But it is my hope for Maggie that you can find her a Molly or a PJ. Pet parents can only fill so many gaps in a dog’s life. We saw it with Punkin. We would never have been enough for her ourselves – it was Molly and PJ that reduced her stress and gave her true quality of life. Spencer is a good boy – enroute to being a great Airedale from our perspective but he is not a super smart, highly confident diva like Molly who always let Punkin be first and he is too little yet to be the gentleman escort that PJ was for our girls.
I have no doubt that I am overstating the similarities between Maggie and Punkin but I believe the core problems are consistent and we believe Spencer is simply not advanced enough to undertake the placement.
Please advise if I can assist in getting the word out about Maggie and many thanks to you and your team for working on her behalf.
All best, Maureen
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Jackie Cash
Morning, Maureen. All good questions. Maggie has been trained to a transitional leash and that is clipped to a Martingale collar. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF9FJCTtjXI) She does become overly excited when she sees another dog, or any creature, so you would have to be proactive and redirect her so that she doesn’t use her size to get control of the leash. Her foster mom/trainer Cindy was able to walk her successfully with this method; however, the adopting couple were not. It takes not only good handling skills, but knowing how to read her to see if she’s becoming anxious.Maggie is fine in the house, but prefers to be outside – probably because she was cooped up the first 4 years of her life and not exposed to much of anything. When her original mom went from part-time to full-time work, Maggie began to show signs of separation anxiety and became destructive. So the mom began crating her, sometimes for 10-12 hours. Sigh. She is anxious in new situations and doesn’t do well with a lot of noise or distractions. At Cindy’s she stayed in an outdoor pen when Cindy was away and she was fine and relaxed doing that.
She has shown no destructive tendencies with Cindy or the new family. When Maggie becomes over-excited, Cindy has taught her “place,” wherever that might be – in the car, in the house. That is Maggie’s signal to calm down. At night she seeks out her crate for bedtime and sees it as a safe place. She’s house-trained, though she did have a couple of accidents at the new family’s house. Once was on an outside deck and they were with her, but didn’t recognize that she needed to go potty.
Maggie will require a huge commitment of time and energy to acclimate to a new home because of her anxiety and aloofness. She came to love a good back rub and brushing and would relax in the evenings with Cindy and her husband and 2 Airedales.
As you said in your first paragraph, she may not be right for you with Spencer still such a puppy. My thought was that you know how to nurture a difficult dog, and Maggie is a difficult dog.
JackieFrom: Maureen Williamson
To: Jackie Cash
Cc: Barbara Yager
Date: April 6, 2018 at 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Airedale for You?Hello Jackie.
I have to admit that my initial sense is that Maggie is likely too needy for us with Spencer at 8 months and still in the learning stages with his leash manners etc. Seems the poor dear really needs someone to devote themselves exclusively to her and getting her straight. I also have a situation coming up next month with a two week vacation – I have Spencer covered with my sister but she did not sign up for two dogs. But ………
When you say Maggie is aloof and anxious that reminds me of our Punkin Muffin and she needed a really confident companion to lean on to blossom – I am not sure if that is Spencer. When Maggie is on her leash is she just exuberant and without leash manners or does she go crazy and become uncontrollable when she sees another dog, squirrel etc. As you know it makes a big difference. I have always walked two Airedales – PJ was 95 pounds and Abby was about 60 pounds but neither of them overreacted when they saw another dog.
How is Maggie in the house? All good with housebreaking? Any destructive tendencies etc? Other than a love of stealing pillows – without harm so far – Spencer is good although obviously we confine him to an exercise pen when we are not home. What has been the practice with Maggie when her foster mom was not home?
What was her situation prior to coming into Rescue? Don’t need to take up your time with all the specifics just trying to understand whether the “anxious” part has been lifelong or you believe it to be a result of the upheaval associated with the placement.
If you have time to provide a little more information I would appreciate it. Meanwhile – I will call on Joey Fineran in heaven to get me a little guidance from above!.
All best, Maureen
On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Jackie Cash
Hi, Maureen. We have an Airedale we think might be a good fit for you and Richard (and Spencer). Maggie will be 5 in mid-June and is an energetic, big (75-80 lbs), goofy girl! She never got enough attention in her first home and we took her into rescue in February. Since then, she’s been with a foster mom/dog trainer who has really turned her around in many ways. Still Maggie remains unsure of herself, aloof, and anxious. We placed her last Saturday with a couple who was Airedale experienced and had adopted an Airedale from us many years ago. They knew Maggie would be a challenge but thought they were up to it. Unfortunately, they are not. They do not have a fenced yard so they have to take her out to potty on leash and she is a challenge for them to control on leash. The trainer/foster mom had been very successful walking Maggie and teaching her to be calm and stay in “place,” and other manners. She needs a strong, assertive leader, and the couple couldn’t provide that. Maggie is good with other dogs but can get overly excited and mouthy; the trainer has two male Airedales and she became very good with them.Would you and Richard like to learn more about Maggie? Maggie loves being outside and nothing pleases her more than a nice long walk followed by a good treat and a nap at your feet. As you can see, she is a beautiful girl, and she’s got lots of years to give and receive love.
If you’d like to talk, I’m available. Thank you!
Jackie Cash | 901-438-578204/07/18: I offered Maggie to Maureen Williamson. Her response:
From: Maureen Williamson
To: Jackie Cash
Cc: Barbara Yager
Date: April 9, 2018 at 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Airedale for You?Jackie – Thank you so much for the candor of your response. Richard and I talked about it and we do not feel we are well positioned to take on Maggie right now. Please allow me to explain our decision.
We know Maggie. She is a version, worse off no doubt, of our Punkin who was placed with us by Joey Fineran. Punkin was a very high quality show dog puppy that had been purchased at 8 weeks by two surgeons and basically forgotten about. Crated or left in a yard, no effort at socialization or training, erratic feeding etc. When she was about six months old, the administrative assistant of one of the surgeons forced an intervention and Punkin was placed in Rescue where Joey fostered her in her own home for three months. As it happened while Punkin was with Joey, I had contacted ARDV about a companion for our then 4 year old Airedale Molly. Joey quizzed me a lot about Molly and I explained that Molly was smart and that from birth she was charismatic and a diva in all respects. That she simply commanded the room and absolutely captivated any one, man or dog, that came into contact with her. Based upon that description Joey consented to an interview and Molly, Richard and I headed to her home in Pennsylvania.
Punkin was a wonderful girl, just like Maggie is I am certain, but she was by far the most complex of our now six Airedales. She was always cautious, she was playful with Molly and very affectionate with Richard and I but always slept in a separate bedroom, she had a very high prey drive and was more than a little willing to mix it up if a small female terrier growled, as we all know they are prone to do. It was years before we came to understand that Joey placed Punkin with Molly, not Richard and I – that the winning interview was Molly’s and that it was under Molly’s guidance that Punkin was able to blossom. She became more confident and sure of herself in all situations because of Molly. Whether at home, at the dog park or in social situations Molly gave off a resounding “she’s with me” vibe that allowed Punkin to be a little more confident, to relax and thrive.
When Molly died at ten Punkin was lost. My sister and others would come over with visiting dogs – all good, fun dogs yet Punkin showed little interest, she remained aloof.
Of course I called Joey. She said – “I do not have the right one for her now. I will recognize the one and I will call you”.
Three months later Joey called. She said: “He is about two years old, handsome and well trained”. She advised, if you are interested Bob Harding will drive him to the Eastern Shore to see if the match will work. Of course we said yes. So the following Saturday morning Richard, Punkin and I were waiting patiently for Bob to arrive and introduce us all to “PJ”. We had a long driveway in the Maryland house and as Bob walked up that driveway toward our back gate with PJ, Richard and I could not believe our eyes. Joey had neglected to say that PJ was A VERY BIG BOY by Airedale standards – as it turns out a very proportionate and robust 95 pounds. Richard exclaimed “I am not sure if I can walk them both”! But into the yard PJ and Bob came and we all saw it with our own eyes. Punkin lit up! They started to run and play and we saw a Punkin we had not seen in many months and we saw a dog in PJ that was relaxed and apparently quite satisfied with his new companion. We knew instantly that even if PJ was as big as an elephant he was home to stay. He just moved right in, didn’t miss a beat and over the years when we walked the two of them you could almost hear Punkin say “He’s with me”.
Jackie – You are far more experienced than I am with Airedales. But it is my hope for Maggie that you can find her a Molly or a PJ. Pet parents can only fill so many gaps in a dog’s life. We saw it with Punkin. We would never have been enough for her ourselves – it was Molly and PJ that reduced her stress and gave her true quality of life. Spencer is a good boy – enroute to being a great Airedale from our perspective but he is not a super smart, highly confident diva like Molly who always let Punkin be first and he is too little yet to be the gentleman escort that PJ was for our girls.
I have no doubt that I am overstating the similarities between Maggie and Punkin but I believe the core problems are consistent and we believe Spencer is simply not advanced enough to undertake the placement.
Please advise if I can assist in getting the word out about Maggie and many thanks to you and your team for working on her behalf.
All best, Maureen
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Jackie Cash
Morning, Maureen. All good questions. Maggie has been trained to a transitional leash and that is clipped to a Martingale collar. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF9FJCTtjXI) She does become overly excited when she sees another dog, or any creature, so you would have to be proactive and redirect her so that she doesn’t use her size to get control of the leash. Her foster mom/trainer Cindy was able to walk her successfully with this method; however, the adopting couple were not. It takes not only good handling skills, but knowing how to read her to see if she’s becoming anxious.Maggie is fine in the house, but prefers to be outside – probably because she was cooped up the first 4 years of her life and not exposed to much of anything. When her original mom went from part-time to full-time work, Maggie began to show signs of separation anxiety and became destructive. So the mom began crating her, sometimes for 10-12 hours. Sigh. She is anxious in new situations and doesn’t do well with a lot of noise or distractions. At Cindy’s she stayed in an outdoor pen when Cindy was away and she was fine and relaxed doing that.
She has shown no destructive tendencies with Cindy or the new family. When Maggie becomes over-excited, Cindy has taught her “place,” wherever that might be – in the car, in the house. That is Maggie’s signal to calm down. At night she seeks out her crate for bedtime and sees it as a safe place. She’s house-trained, though she did have a couple of accidents at the new family’s house. Once was on an outside deck and they were with her, but didn’t recognize that she needed to go potty.
Maggie will require a huge commitment of time and energy to acclimate to a new home because of her anxiety and aloofness. She came to love a good back rub and brushing and would relax in the evenings with Cindy and her husband and 2 Airedales.
As you said in your first paragraph, she may not be right for you with Spencer still such a puppy. My thought was that you know how to nurture a difficult dog, and Maggie is a difficult dog.
Jackie
