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08-09-2020: From Marcela:
Jackie,Hope you are doing well. Daniel and me wanted to tell you that we have a change of heart after this last experience. Our kids were devastated with the news of Izzy leaving us and also did we. We are not going to surrender her and we are changing things in the house in order to have everyone involved in the house chores. That oncludes Izzy and Paco. Since Thursday we are all home again in our new house and we are all doing great. The fence is finally going to be installed on the week of the 17th and this will make our lifes much easier.
We are going to get your offer to help in Izzy’s training. I have been researching, and tomorrow, Monday, I will send you a name and link to the person we are thinking can help Izzy stop acting out when she sees another dog. She works with Mustly Mutts and we are going to contacted her to see if she can come and visit and explain all the situation.
For now, we are really thankful for your help, but she is ours and we will keep her!
As I said I will send you the information as soon as I contact the trainer tomorrow.
Thanks and have a nice rest of your Sunday
Marcela and Daniel Martinez
08-10-2020: Per Lori, he is still on antibiotics, finished pain meds.
Gets along with Barley who is 2 year old and they love to play. Pinot is 13. They’are all playing well together.Her backyard is completely fenced in now; previously was just electric fence. She goes outside with Baxter to make certain he doesn’t try to scale the fence. Most of the fence is 5 ft aluminum, part is chain link. He doesn’t seem interested in trying to get away.
According to the records from the Humane Society, he is healthy, heartworm negative, and has been started on Milbeguard for HW prevention.
From Lori Nelson, 08-10-2020:
I can send more pics. He gets along great with my 2. Pinot is 13, and does not play much, so he leaves him alone. He and Barley will play bitey face, and with some of the toys. He is housebroken(no accidents) and loves to be around humans!!! I have not crated him, he took a look at it, and slept across the room from it as if to say, I do not need it!!! He is a real sweetheart.Great dog, thrown away by his family of 7 years.
08-09-2020. Tracy McKinney contacted ARG FB page because she has a 1-yo Airedale to surrender. You can see the history in all the posts above.
She has a 1-y-o intact male to surrender because they’re moving out of the country. I responded to her and told her we could help, yada, yada. Then I looked up her name bc it was too familiar.
She applied to us in Jan 2016. It was obvious they knew nothing about dogs. Period. They were home visited and approved but they were planning to move to a new home (lived on the 21st floor in a condo). Sue Taylor followed up then nothing until they contacted us in 2017 about a ‘dale we had. We had back and forth about different dales, then nothing. Then in 2018 she bought a puppy who died a week later of parvo so the breeder was going to give her one from the next litter, and I’m guessing this is the one.
She got mad at us because we never had a ‘dale for her. She asked me how long this process takes once they submit the paperwork. I told her it depends on the Airedale. We have many approved adopters waiting or we may want to have him first in a foster home. I asked if their move was imminent. She responded that it is and she’s looking at her options.
We may not get him, but I suspect she’ll advertise him so we’ll probably find out about him.
08-08-2020: After talking to Pam Mayall and communicating with Marcela, here is the upshot.
The Mayalls are not adopting Izzy. I introduced them to Izzy’s mom, Marcela, because they were to meet this Sunday to pick up Izzy. I asked them to keep communications through me but they didn’t. They started texting back and forth and the Mayalls asked Marcela how big Izzy was so they could purchase a crate. Marcela was appalled and told them she never uses a crate and Izzy doesn’t need a crate and she was crated too much in a too-small crate in her original home. All of that is true; however, Pam told her that they have 2 cats — actually kittens — so they’ll need a crate to protect them and teach them and Izzy. Marcela went off again and said Izzy hates cats — also true, but I had told Pam that and she was willing to work with her to teach her and to protect her cats by always supervising Izzy. Izzy has not lived with cats, but she wants to chase them. Airedale, huh?Then Marcela sent her a photo of Izzy jumping up in the air trying to catch a drone in the house. Pam freaked. Said she’s never seen an Airedale that big that could almost touch the ceiling. I’ll attach the photo. As you can see and as I pointed out to Pam, it’s just the perspective. Izzy is 65 lbs. Pam thought that was huge. Also, Marcela accidentally sent her a text that she had intended for her own husband. It was in Spanish. Pam thought the husband sent it to her and she understands Spanish. But you can see that Pam could have misunderstood Marcela.
I have translated it and I know what Marcela was saying, but Pam took it another way, apparently. Regardless of the reasons and the miscommunications between them, now Pam says that this just isn’t meant to be and they are not going to adopt Izzy.
Here’s the translation:
“Now I don’t understand anything.”
“They have 2 cats that are like children. And to this dog the publication said there are no cats.” (Perra in Spanish can mean a female dog or a Bitch.) Yes, our post did say no cats. But Pam understood that meant that she would chase a cat. With kittens, we agreed that Pam could keep them separate and slowly introduce them carefully to Izzy.Izzy is negative for heartworms. I have the paperwork from the vet.
08-07-2020:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 3:35 PM Jackie Cash < airedalemail@comcast.net> wrote:
See below. I’m ready to wring Marcela’s neck. Apparently, in a series of texts, Marcela and Pam discussed Izzy. Pam asked how big Izzy was bc she was going to buy her a crate and Marcela said no, do not crate her. We never crate her because she is good in the house or something. Pam explained that she had 2 cats and that’s why she needed to be crated and Marcela told her that Izzy hates cats and that he had lived with cats (not true) and had nipped at all the children (not true). Pam & Joe knew that Izzy hates cats but we talked bout how they could keep the cats separate and supervise any introductions once they felt safe. I told Pam also that Izzy had nipped one of Marcela’s children and that in the previous home once the new baby was born, Izzy didn’t like the child and would growl if he came near her.Plus, Marcela’s husband sent Pam an email all in Spanish and she, fortunately, understood it. He may have been the one saying all this. IDK. But, we MUST find a home and get Izzy out.
Jackie Cash | 901-438-5782
http://www.airedalerescuegroup.com
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From: Jackie Cash < airedalemail@comcast.net>
To: Marcela Martinez < mhb.marcela@gmail.com>
Cc: Barbara Reese Yager < theairedale@gmail.com>
Date: 08/07/2020 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: IzzyThe Mayalls are not going to adopt Izzy. Please forward to me the letter your husband sent to Pam.
Jackie Cash | 901-438-5782
http://www.airedalerescuegroup.com
Follow us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/airedalerescuegroup/On 08/07/2020 2:12 PM Marcela Martinez < mhb.marcela@gmail.com> wrote:
Pam, I am sorry if my english is not the best, but I said she doesn’t need to be crated. I completely understand that she needs to if you have little kittens. And also, it is not my decision to make because Izzy is yours from the minute you get her.
One thing is what I did but I didn’t have any other animals to take in consideration.
I didn’t want to change your mind. You asked me and I answered with my honest opinion of what we did.If you had Airedales and dogs you know what you need to do. And Jackie told me you will be the perfect owner for her! So we were so happy to find a place like yours.
Please reconsider. As I say it was my opinion of what we did, not an instruction of what you need to do from now on.
Thanks,
Marcela Martinez
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From: Pamela Mayall < pamayall@comcast.net>
Date: 8/7/20 3:05 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Jackie Cash < airedalemail@comcast.net>
Cc: Marcela Martinez < mhb.marcela@gmail.com>
Subject: IzzyIt turns out Marcela does NOT want her crated, even at first. We had wanted her to get used to her new environment, at night and with the kittens.
I’m afraid this just won’t work after all.
Thank you for all your good work.
We hope Izzy finds just the right home.
Sincerely,
Pam and JoePam Mayall Properties🏡
Cell (703) 298-927208-07-2020. Her lab is a big girl nearly 100 lbs. 5 years old. Craig retired. I talked to her about Izzy, but the more I think about it, I’m concerned that Izzy would not get along with the lab. Nancy says the lab loves other dogs, but Izzy is dominant and reactive to other dogs on leash and at the dog park. She can live with small dogs and has. I’m going to withdraw my offer of Izzy to them.
My snail mail address is:
105 Powers Rd.
Winston -Salem, NC 27106
336-407-761008-07-2020: Called Lori to see if she would pull the Airedale Baxter from the Forsyth Humane Society.
08-06-2020: Susanne Ridgeway, Savannah, GA. Gave up 8-mo-old Grace who is so terrified of everything and anxious, it’s heartbreaking. Did not reveal these issues.
Catherine Nifong: Sent email to info@ARG to relinquish an Airedale named Baxter then sent a photo. JMC responded and said I’ll contact you later. When I tried to contact, no phone no., and emailed and asked for the number, she responded that she had taken him to the Winston-Salem Humane Society.
08-06-2020: Hi Jackie,
Thanks so much for getting back to us with this information. We will take a look at the list of trainer information and try to get something set up. We had already purchased the Zylkene so we’ve started that today. From what I’ve read it takes 2-3 days to start working and we purchased a 2 week supply. We can definitely give Particular Paws a try as well (thinking when the Zylkene runs out).
We’ve been taking her out to go potty much more frequently. She is going out the front door a bit easier, walking slightly better on the leash but still has high anxiety the entire time we are outside. Opening garage doors, light poles, cars driving by will all throw her into a panic. She will usually do a short pee, poos are harder to come by. We will keep working on this. She has improved some in the house too, a bit braver and more relaxed (when there are no fast movements or loud noises!)
We will continue to keep you posted. Thank you for your support.
Melissa
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:51 AM Jackie Cash < airedalemail@comcast.net> wrote:
I read about Zylkene and it is quite expensive. Its main ingredient is a milk protein. It is highly rated and is listed as “Amazon’s Choice.” The product my friend, Cyn Mobley, who has been in rescue 30 years and operates a Waystation for rescue dogs being transported from the South to the North and Northeast US, recommends Particular Paws. It is much cheaper and she says it’s great for calming anxious dogs. Here’s the link on Amazon. I’ve ordered a bottle to be sent to you.
I’ve also looked through trainers listed on the ccpdt.org page and these 2 specifically are behavior-trained. That does not mean they are Veterinary Behaviorists.
Here is a link to behaviorists in Raleigh listed through the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists.
https://www.dacvb.org/search/newsearch.aspI saw your video and one thing that has occurred to me for the short term is keeping Grace tethered to you in the house and outside. She learns that where you go, she can go. You can also be watchful for her to try to eliminate in the house and immediately get her outside. I know this is not possible every minute, but it can do a lot to let her know that she is safe.
ARG will commit to helping with the cost of training Grace so that she can overcome her anxiety. We know it will be a process and it will not be easy, but she is worth it. Please contact one of the trainers first for a consultation. It will require that they come to your home and meet Grace. ARG will pay for this consultation. They would routinely issue a consultation report that should outline what they plan to do to help her. We will evaluate and go from there. If neither of these trainers believes they can help Grace, we can consider one of the DACVB behaviorists.
Thank you for contacting me about Grace and her anxiety. It is heartbreaking to think of her fears and anxieties of everyday situations and objects. We will help.
JackieMelissa & Jeramiah called me on the 3rd to talk to me about Grace. She is extremely anxious, timid, fearful of everything, afraid of them and every object she encounters outside. They said it’s gotten worse from the first couple of days.
Susanne had sedated Grace with Acepromazine for the trip, telling me that she sometimes gets anxious in the car. The Jordans said she was fine in the car and seemed a little sedated, but was ok Friday night (the 31st) and Saturday. She’s afraid when they take her outside, she’s afraid when she comes back inside; she’s afraid of light poles, she’s afraid of cars parked on the street. Jeramiah said they were walking her Monday and a woman came out to the street to put something in her garbage cart and the noise scared Grace and she literally flattened herself down on the sidewalk and peed all over herself. She was terrified. When she’s in the house – most of the time, of course – she will be fine beside them on the couch or on the floor, but if either of them move, she is startled and runs. They sent me 3 videos of her: First, she’s standing in an open hallway, tail tucked, reacting to kitchen noises. In the second, Jeramiah walks past her to pick up a cardboard box and she runs in the opposite direction to the staircase landing and watches cautiously as he puts the box down in a different spot. As he walks back toward the kitchen, she runs in the same direction but looking back at him the entire time. In the last, Rory has gone to the front door to look out and barks. She has gone back to the landing but Jeramiah again comes into view and she runs.
Obviously, Susanne Ridgeway did not divulge to us her level of anxiety, fear, skittishness. It’s almost debilitating according to the Jordans. She gets along great with Rory and is happy playing with him in the yard. But she is afraid of everything.
I have looked for force-free, non-aversive, positive-reinforcement trainers in their area and sent them a couple to check out. I also sent them a link to Animal Behaviorists in Raleigh area. We talked about some things to try. Their vet suggested a ProPlan probiotic/calming treat. A vet friend of theirs in FL suggested Zylkene and they ordered some and will try it for 2 weeks. I read about Zylkene and it looks promising, but I had seen Cyn Mobley recommend Particular Paws Calming Treats so I bought a small supply and sent it to them via Amazon.
08-06-2020 From Cindy:
Barbara, Jackie
After seeing his issue first hand and having had some time to think about it my thoughts are:
I suspect Teddy’s fear/guarding evolved and escalated as is does in many dogs because he lived in a small world To begin with and when this behavior began to manifest the owners just kept making his world smaller. I see this fairly often and will probably see even more when this “Covid stuff” ends.
I would definitely say he is not suited to be in a home with kids and a lot of unpredictable activity.
After seeing Teddys behavior I feel sure this was a “get away from me now” response and not an aggressive “I am going to do damage to you behavior” .
After reading the info on Teddy I was of the mindset that his issue was chasing after loud or fast moving things/people. And owners stated that this has only occurred with kids. Suspect there were some other clues .
But thinking of his transport day, he was handed off to multiple people and was perfectly fine. In my case I had car trouble that day and my husband had to come get me to meet the transport. I was late and the poor women meeting me needed to run in to a restroom immediately. She quickly handed Teddy to me and I promptly put him in the back seat of the truck with Bruce at the wheel. Teddy showed no concern at all. And I note the other drivers stated the same.
Thinking of the incident today, this bearded man in a hat stepped out suddenly in front of us. This was foolish on my part and I feel badly. Teddy was in a down at my feet such that I had no visual of his face to read any concern. If I had been walking my Airedale Grace from ARG I would not have even considered letting this man approach . I know Grace is fearful of men. She would have growled and stepped back behind me. Grace has never even attempted a bite but she is shy and fearful. Teddy is fairly bold such that his fear response is to move in. I feel sure this can be worked through with a lot of slow positive exposure to the world such that he does not have be shut in. But then he would still need to be with an owner that is mindful of his issues and willing to possibly use a muzzle when in a situation where they have any doubt.Jackie,
To answer your question. I can work with Teddy on these issues or he can go to someone that specializes in this sort of thing. However the bigger challenge is the training is generally only successful when the owner has gone through the training 1:1 as well. I would love to see this for Teddy . He really is a good dog. Best scenario is to have someone willing to consider this challenge and locate a trainer in close proximity to that potential owner.Cindy
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Cindy GOn Aug 6, 2020, at 1:16 PM, Barbara Reese Yager
Thank you Cindy.
I wonder if this guarding would be ‘easier’ to managed with a stay at home
family than a walking active one?Bay
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From: cgreendr [mailto:cgreendr@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 11:45 AM
To: Jackie Cash
Cc: Barbara Reese Yager
Subject: Teddy incidentJackie,
I had a concerning incident with Teddy this morning. I took him to FMU
campus for his morning walk . Lots of activity today on the grounds as they
prepare for classes to resume. He was perfectly behaved and non-reactive to
anything going on.
As I was returning to my vehicle, one of the grounds crew members spoke to
me and I stopped to talk. The man was on a walkway on the other side of
some bushes. He was wanting some help with walking a dog and I offered him
my business card. I stepped back and placed Teddy in a down at my side. I
reached out to hand the man the card and as the man stepped through the
shrubs, Teddy grabbed at his pant leg. I immediately pulled him back and
placed him in a sit and he settled and did not attempt any additional
forward moment .
Very fortunately he just got the mans pant leg. I put Teddy in my truck and
went back to speak to the man and make absolutely sure Teddy did not get
skin.
I am sure this was fear-based guarding. I should have been more aware of the
circumstance where a person is stepping through shrubs and into me. This
unfortunately is a concerning red flag for this dog. This could absolutely
be addressed but would require some serious commitment from an owner.
Do you think ARG would have someone willing to take on this challenge. This
would require an owner working 1:1 with a trainer that is experienced with
guarding behavior. This also requires ongoing commitment to manage.
Teddy has so many great qualities and is a perfectly behaved dog when he
trusting but clearly has a mindset to guard when he feels uncomfortable.Cindy
