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09-29-2020 I spoke to Bob Checkaneck yesterday. My email explains:
Hello, Bob. Thank you for your time yesterday to talk about your application to adopt an Airedale. I apologize because my phone was acting up and at times, I could barely hear you, especially toward the end of our conversation. As a result of the poor sound quality, I would like to clarify some things:
You split your time between a condo and a house, both on Pawleys Island. The condo doesn’t have a fenced yard, but your house 2 miles away has a wrought-iron fence.
In addition to the Airedale you had at least 15 years ago, you have had Afghans and Greyhounds.
You most recently had a Havanese and a terrier-mix, both of which have died.
You and Nancy volunteered with a rescue group, South Carolina Greyhound Rescue.
You attended clicker training under Karen Pryor.
You want an Airedale that is tolerant of kids because of the children they would meet on walks on the beach.
You and Nancy are in good health and are active and walk daily on the beach when the weather allows.
If I have misunderstood any of the above, please let me know.We never got to talk about what you are looking for in an Airedale. You said you would take a puppy, young adult, or older adult, so that makes our job easier. We have so many Airedales that come to us in need of immediate training because they’ve not been consistently or properly trained and have become dominant or reactive to other dogs or people. Are you and Nancy able to handle an Airedale that needs to learn boundaries and be taught how to walk properly on leash, how to greet people and other dogs properly, and how to be a mannerly household member?
Please let me know what you think about all this and let’s set a time to talk again.
Thank you for your patience and for your love of Airedales.
Jackie
I will not move them to HV until/unless I hear back from them about the conversation. Seriously, I could barely hear a word by the end of the conversation. IDK if it was my phone or him.
09-29-2020: I called Christie Crawford yesterday to offer Thor to her. Through a long – 45 min – conversation, I learned they really want a dog that can travel with them everywhere like their Ramsey did, who was tiny – an East European Airedale. I think she said 48 lbs. She was surprised that so many rescue Airedales are 65, 70, even 80 lbs.
Before I called her I had looked her up on FB and she posted on September 9th that they had put down a deposit on an Airedale puppy. We talked about that and she told me she was buying from Darren’s Airedales. She asked me what I thought about them and I told her what I knew re the pup with megaesophagus and that he had so many judgments against him that the county was going to auction his pups but he came up with the funds to pay the judgments and he was allowed to keep his Airedales.
She said even though they’re getting a puppy, they would still consider rescue, but after talking with her, I don’t know that I believe that. She asked me about the dogs we had and I told her and followed up – per her request – with more info and photos on who we had.
I will be surprised if she decides to adopt.
(Below are the two emails I sent to her re the dales we have.)
Hi, again. In addition to Thor, Asher, and Zeus, we have Atlas, 70 lbs, 2-1/2 years old, owned by a groomer who says he’s just too rough with her 5-year-old Pointer. She didn’t know anything about Airedales when she got him – long story – but wants him to have a good home with people who know Airedales.
We also have Teddy, 3 years old and 70 lbs., who I believe I mentioned is in the witness-protection program because he nipped a couple of children and their parents are suing his parents. They instead relinquished him to ARG and he is with a foster mom/trainer in SC.
Please let us know if you are interested in learning more about these Airedales. I know that you were not keen on the larger Airedales as yours was a petite East European Airedale, but in rescue, these weights are typical.
Thank you.
Jackie Cash | 901-438-5782
http://www.airedalerescuegroup.com
Follow us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/airedalerescuegroup/On 09/28/2020 5:42 PM Jackie Cash
Hi, Christie & Marlin: It was nice talking to you today and hearing about your Ramsey and about your interest in another Airedale. I’m excited for you that you have put down a deposit on an Airedale through Darren’s Airedales in AL. I hope that the Airedale puppies are perfectly healthy and happy and you get just the one you want.
We discussed the Airedales we have available for adoption. Asher and Zeus are on our website so you can read about them. Asher is 55 lbs, Zeus is 80 lbs.
We talked about Thor, the 2-year-old who is heartworm positive. I have attached some photos. I got him on 09-19 and he is in the car unsure of who we are and where he is going. Then he’s at daycare last week on a rainy day. He was initially a little overwhelmed, then had a blast according to daycare staff. He was the one given up because the mom didn’t bond with him. He’s a sweetheart, very tall, about 75 lbs.
I’ll follow up tomorrow with info on the others, but I’m off “work” for tonight. Thank you for your time and your interest in adopting a rescued Airedale.
09-29-2020 Tish Moran’s home visit report:
HOME EVALUATION FORMKeri & Bobby Thomas
kerin1113@hotmail.com
615-319-5325
9728 Turnbridge Ct
Brentwood, TN 37027Size of Home [estimate square footage if possible]:
Setting [check all that apply]:
Rural
Semi rural
Suburban
Semi urban
Urban
Wooded
Open acreage
Waterfront
Highway frontage
Neighborhood street frontage
City environment
Property bordering on park/fieldCondition of Home [check all that apply]:
Immaculate
Well-kept
Lived in but clean
Exterior untidy
Interior untidy
Exterior unkempt/poorly maintained
Interior trashed/dirtyDescribe the home interior:
Furniture appeared new, light colors. Flooring hardwood with many area rugs. Many low shelves and small decorative items. Country classic with many decorative and seasonal items. I told them their home was beautiful…in fact I worried too beautiful. I am a realist always having two Airedales and multiple children around.Accommodations:
They were clear that they would use a crate. They were not ready to be clear exactly where the crate would be housed. From conversation I infer the lower level.
When I commented on the back yard having an electric fence for the small grassed area surrounded by wooded area Keri said the dog wouldn’t be outside much. He would go for long walks with her husband.Children:
Three older teenage children in the home. Oldest son was very quiet and rather sullen. Twin daughters were quiet. One clearly the emotionally attached caretaker of the small bichon and cat. None of them were very open to conversation. They were polite but it was hard to prompt conversation.Family Environment:
Only one daughter and mother greeted me on arrival. The other came in after a while. Mother and daughter obviously very attached to the little bichon and the cat. Father the driving force in the adoption. He states the dog is for him and his son. (Son did not appear very enthusiastic.) Children were quiet; only answered questions when asked. Everyone was very polite during my visit. My gut tells me this is to please the father.Life-Style Compromises:
Keri shared they had a lab early in their marriage but not a large dog for some time. Not sure they realistically understand the personality of a large terrier. Also sure they don’t understand their sweet loving nature when they jump on your bed with muddy feet.Other Pets:
Bichon that had just been brushed and they said was 7 years old. Small young cat that was mostly white in color. They both appeared well groomed. They seem to do what they want and can easily be physically re-directed by Mom or daughter. Noticed at one point the small dog chewing on what seemed to be a sucker stick and everyone seemed that was normal. I just kept thinking my dale would swallow that in a second.Owner Interaction with Other Pets:
o Describe the relationship all family members seem to have to other pets. Other family members did not really respond or react to the current pets.
o What role will the dog play in applicant’s life? This dog would be brought into the house to support the wishes of the father and son.
o Are the other pets treated like family members? The small bishon and cat are treated as dependent family members. Closest to the one daughter and mother.
o How do the other animals behave?
o If applicant is looking for an additional dog, or cat why does applicant what another? Husband wants a bigger dog that he can take on long walks and visit the dog park.
o Does applicant believe that the new dog will “train” old dog or vice versa? They generally believe they will co-exist.
o Has applicant ever owned more than one dog or cat at the same time? Two animals currently.
o Is applicant prepared for the increased work, expense [including vet cost], and commotion? Not sure about the work…..expense does not appear to be an issue.
o How committed is adopter? Father seems very anxious to adopt. Not totally convinced they understand the energy and enthusiasm of Airedales.
o What are the owner’s responses to behaviors good and bad?
o Do owners demand perfection or have unreasonable expectation regarding behaviors?
o Do other dogs in the home obey happily? The current dog is small and easily corrected with a pick up.
o Are the other dogs out of control and undisciplined?
o Do the owners appear to know some basic training techniques? Bichon did not appear to be trained. Very small and easy to control.
o How do the animals react to the owner’s response? Current animals just seem to go their own way and are re-directed by the humans.Important Question to Answer:
o Explain that re-homing a dog is stressful for the dog. Talked about the stress of re-homing yet not so sure they really understand the amount of work and inconvenience required. We talked about time and training and they responded positively. Mr Thomas really wants an instant buddy to exercise with him.
o That often the rescued dog they want to adopt or foster may have training accidents, even if they are housebroken, while they are in their new home or foster care, for the first few weeks.
o Ask the applicant what they would do or how they would react to the new dog having an accident. She said her current pet has accidents some times, that they would understand.What was their reply?
Additional Information:
o Please describe any additional information about the home environment that you feel is pertinent.
o Is there anything in general or specifically that would cause you to feel uncomfortable about placing a dog or cat in this home?
They would definitely need a more mature and calm Airedale who can enjoy small dogs and cats. Very worried about the electric fence issue as they don’t seem to consider that to be true. My dogs would run into the woods. What happens when life gets in the way and they can’t walk the dog? Yard would not be a safe outlet for energy.
o If so, what?
o “Gut feelings” are considered important. Would you feel comfortable leaving your own dog with the applicant?
I would not feel comfortable leaving either of my dogs in this environment. My gut tells me there will be problems if the dog does not behave or causes accidental or intentional damage to the home. Really feel the dog would complete the picture of what they want…..worried a normal energetic airedale does not fit their picture.
o Explain.Conclusion:
Approve Applicant
Do not approve applicant
Approve after additional counseling of applicants
and/or
Approve after modifications to the home environmentPlease describe:
They really need to see how the Bichon will react to another pet. Maybe a trip to visit the cousin that has a rescue Airedale? Or someone else that has a larger dog. As for the cat it would have to a cat friendly Airedale.
They seemed a bit anxious that this process has taken some time. The acquisition of the cat seemed to be a response to impatience.
If they adopt….really think they would require a special calm Airedale, but sincerely recommend that they need more help to understand that we don’t love these dogs because they never accidentally knock something over….haha…..bang into a table with small ornamental items or make a mess. When I told them my rescue girl could open doors I think they thought me to have a healthy imagination. Felt they were in a way humoring me to get done with the visit.
Certainly worried that the entire family will not accept and embrace the adoption which would be difficult for the pup. It would be very difficult if the existing pets did not accept the new family member.
Additional comments:
see aboveHome Evaluator’s Signature: ___Tish Moran_______
Date: __9-28-2020____
Contact information: Email & Phone No.: ________________________________________
________________________________________09-28-2020: Spoke to Robert Checkaneck; however, his voice was so soft that I was straining to hear every word and it only got worse the further along we got. I kept having to ask him to repeat himself. It was embarrassing.
They had a female Airedale they got from a breeder in NJ. The breeder had them spend the day with her to make sure they would be make good Airedale parents. She lived 12 years. They already had Afghans and Greyhounds, rescues. They’ve had several of those over the years and most recently had a Havanese and a Terrier Mix. The terrier mix died at Christmas.
They had checked that their Airedale would need to be patient and tolerant of kids. They don’t have any and their grandchildren are 14 & 15, but there are kids on the beach that they encounter daily. Same with getting along with other dogs.
They have worked with rescue in SC, specificlaly South Carolina Greyhound Rescue, but I also *think* they worked with another rescue group that placed 300 dogs a year. He was fading and I wasn’t sure I was hearing him corectly.
I asked about their health as they are the same age as I am – 73. He said they are in good health, no medical issues, and walk 2-3 miles a day and are very active. They have 2 homes in Pawley Island: one a condo (the address on this app) and another one (maybe on the beach?). They devidie their time between the 2 though it’s not set in stone. I asked where the home visit would be most likely and he said it could be at either one; they’re only 2 miles apart. We’ll decide that as we go along.
The fence at the house (not the condo) is wrought iron not chainlink/metal. They don’t allow that. The condo has no yard.
He said when he was doing rescue he did a lot of training. This is what I could not quite make out. Will need to clarify. At first I thought he was talking about an all-breed rescue, then he started talking about greyhounds. I asked him the name of the all-breed rescue and he said South Carolina Greyhounds. He trained under Karen Pryor – famous for clicker training. Cool.
He didn’t remember what kind or where he got HW preventative; we’ll need to ask the vet.
I want to send an email to clarify some of this and will then try to set up a home visit.
Hello, Margo. I think my first question to you would be, “Are you crazy? You have 5 Schnauzers and you want an Airedale?” Seriously, though, I see you are looking to the future knowing that your Schnauzers are getting on up there. It sounds like any dog would have a wonderful life with you and your husband.
One of us will call you soon to further discuss your situation and your desire for an Airedale. In the meantime, we have no females available. Mia was adopted by a previously approved adopter. But we’ll get you going in the process so that when we do have one come up you will be ready.
Thank you, again, for your patience.
Jackie Cash | 901-438-5782
http://www.airedalerescuegroup.com
Follow us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/airedalerescuegroup/On 09/28/2020 1:06 PM Margo Jacobs
Dear Jackie,
Thank you for your email. We are interested in the right Airedale. We have owned Airedales for almost 37 years. We have had4, 3 from the same breeder. And our last one came to us as a puppy but she had everything physically wrong, and we were urged to put her down. The breeder gave us our money back, but we took her to specialists. We did not put her down. She had a very restricted diet which meant our schnauzers had to do about the same to avoid risking her wellness. And Dixie got in over4 years of a great life before her illness came back. It was completely unexpected.
We have 5 schnauzers. One is a rescue we adopted. He was abused.He is now almost14. Three are old 14, 13, 10 and two are 7 and 4, all spayed and neutered. Our only child is in graduate school, and the dogs are our world. We can only adopt a female bc our males would likely have a wettingErin, thank you for your prompt reply. One of us will be in touch with you in the next few days. We know that some Airedales are fine with toddlers; however, I know that we have no ‘dales currently who could be trusted with one that young and small.
However, we can get the process moving along so that when the right Airedale comes along, you are ready.
Thank you,
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Margo replied:
Dear Jackie,
Thank you for your email. We are interested in the right Airedale. We have owned Airedales for almost 37 years. We have had4, 3 from the same breeder. And our last one came to us as a puppy but she had everything physically wrong, and we were urged to put her down. The breeder gave us our money back, but we took her to specialists. We did not put her down. She had a very restricted diet which meant our schnauzers had to do about the same to avoid risking her wellness. And Dixie got in over4 years of a great life before her illness came back. It was completely unexpected.
We have 5 schnauzers. One is a rescue we adopted. He was abused.He is now almost14. Three are old 14, 13, 10 and two are 7 and 4, all spayed and neutered. Our only child is in graduate school, and the dogs are our world. We can only adopt a female bc our males would likely have a wetting contest. We are both 65, but are fit and outdoorsy. Retired. Our dogs like other dogs. We also have a cat that lives in our guest house. He was a rescue too. We have wonderful fencing and acres to play as well as a farm in the next county. I help all animals, but Airedales are my favorite. And Schnauzers that are very similar to Airedales in looks and loyalty. And ours died last October. And she was the sweetest dog in the world.Please let me know. We are social distancing bc of our ages. Thank you so much for responding.
Kindest Regards,
Margo Jacobs
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On Sep 28, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jackie Cash
Good morning and thank you for applying to adopt an Airedale through ARG. We apologize that it has taken us so long to contact you, but we have been inundated with applications, and our volunteers who interview applicants have been overwhelmed.Please let us know if you still are interested in adopting an Airedale, and if so, tell us why you think your home would be a good home for an Airedale.
Your reply will be quickly acknowledged and we will move forward if that is your wish.
Thank you for considering a rescued Airedale and thank you for your patience.
Jackie
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Jackie,Yes we would still be interested in an Airdale. We rescued our previous dog Jax an Airdale mix back when we lived in Texas. We were raised with dogs and we also want our almost two year old daughter to know the love of a dog. Please let us know if you need further information from us. Thanks for everything you do.
Best regards,
Erin Doughney
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:27 AM Jackie Cash < airedalemail@comcast.net> wrote:
Good morning and thank you for applying to adopt an Airedale through ARG. We apologize that it has taken us so long to contact you, but we have been inundated with applications, and our volunteers who interview applicants have been overwhelmed.Please let us know if you still are interested in adopting an Airedale, and if so, tell us why you think your home would be a good home for an Airedale.
Your reply will be quickly acknowledged and we will move forward if that is your wish.
Thank you for considering a rescued Airedale and thank you for your patience.
Jackie
09-28-2020
Lenore Lewis is the one who purchased this little female Airedale from a breeder for ARG. She kept her from Sunday, the 27th, to Monday, the 28th.Lenore’s Bill of Sale:
I hereby certify that I have purchased a 6 week old female Airedale puppy for $250 cash from Wes Green of Saluda, SC on Sunday, September 27, 2020.
Lenore Lewis
NOTES/observations:
While there were no papers, the parents were on site – mother Petra, was approximately 50-55 lbs and black and pale tan; they said it was her first litter; Petra was of course, tired but she was friendly to us and attentive to her baby.
Father, Woodrow, approximately 60 lbs. black and deep red. Woody came bounding out of the back of the property when we drove up, barking. He was in a playful stance and showed no aggression. He was pure playful and delightful disposition. The epitome of what Airedale lovers look for. Bounding around, goofy, playful, and rolling on his back, typical Airedale pose. Both parents had curly coats.
They said there were 8 puppies but there was a tiny male who did not make it.09-27-2020:
Good evening Jackie,Checking in with status of Teddy. Teddy seems to be a very happy boy these days. He loves to get out for a good run and then just hang out with us. He still does not interact with any toys. He offers play moves with the other dogs but then seems a bit fearful and unsure. Often he just ignores them .
I think Teddy was taught a lot of things not to do. He has great basic obedience but is otherwise not sure how to interact. I let him run and regularly recall him for treats. He seems very happy to do just that everyday. He generally chooses to check in after he gets out of sight and is happy to just watch whatever is going on . He was very interested and curious about Bruce’s truck washing today. He likes to explore and is not especially fearful of anything.
I think he will be by nature a bit slow to warm up to strangers and he is especially unsure around men. He is also rather stoic and often offers no interaction.
He has become a very sweet boy with time and now does seek touch and attention.
He is really just a great “hang out” kind of guy. I have not noted any reactive behavior. He does some alert barking but not an unusual amount. He doesn’t react to delivery trucks or people . He is not destructive. He will chew a marrow bone if offered but does not touch a thing else. He is fantastic about his crate and knows “go to bed” at night.
I noted a Facebook discussion recently on the Airedale Rescue site about the probability of someone adopting a dog with a bite history. It did not look very promising with regards to responses.I am confident that Teddy is not a truly aggressive dog. He does need guidance and he needs to be in a well managed world. I believe He is capable of being a great companion. If someone really put in the time and effort to slowly and patiently introduce him to their world I believe he would ultimately be fine with anything.
Cindy
09-26-2020 From Tish Moran:
Jackie,
Good evening. I visited with the Thomas’s today. Will send my full eval tomorrow just wanted to share a couple thoughts.
They were very hospitable and nice people just not sure they understand.. Most worrisome is they have a small very pampered small white dog and they just acquired a small white cat. Mom and one daughter very attached to the small dog and cat.
The cleared yard is minimal and surrounded by a wooded area which will attract the dog to break thru electric fence for animals.
Tish
