Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
04/23/18 From Lance to jmc:
I’m reaching out for recommendations of local expert to help Lilly warm up to Afton. Lilly, of course is very affectionate with me, and is completely tolerant of Marie, and nearly completely so with Delia (7).Afton (4) is a different story. He has never shown Lilly anything but utter gentleness and affectionate intentions. He has been excellent adhering to the rule of “Gentle on the back and sides only, never the face, ears, tail or underbelly”. However, Lilly is more than cold to him. Rather, she has been unsettlingly aggressive…growling, bearing teeth, and snapping at him a few times. She has marked him on the head and face several times, and couple times on the hand. All accounts came in response to Afton very gently and with much care trying to pet her. Also standing near her when she’s eating. She even turned on me once as I brushed past her as she was eating, and thought I was Afton or Delia. Last night, he simply sat down next to her and she got ugly with him, and he hadn’t made physical contact. This is the usual scenario.
I hoped she would eventually choose to accept him as she did with Delia, but doesn’t seem to be happening. If anything the issue has worsened, rather than improved.
In my opinion, I think Lilly refuses to accept him as equals, much less above her in the pack hierarchy, as he is the only one in the pack that is physically smaller than her. She seems to be jealous of attention Afton receives from me, and resent him for our insisting that she is not above him in the pecking order. Delia was initially treated the same, but Lilly eventually accepted her after I had Delia assume the job of feeding her. Lilly now even responds well to Delia’s “sit” command, and the momentary wait to be released to eat what Delia had just given her. Afton now has this job, again trying demonstrate that even Afton controls her food, thus above her in the pecking order. Lilly isn’t buying it as she did with Delia. I’ve tried making petting Lilly a combined effort with Afton and I to show her that is okay, and my desire that she allow him to love on her without her aggressive response. I also let Afton hold the leash on walks (it’s also clipped to me for security) to demonstrate Afton is granted some level of dominance over her role in the pack. I think this was also helpful with Delia, but not effective with our smallest one.
So a wall of text later, I’m asking for advice, or recommendations for local trainer that we can work with to get past this problem that’s not fixing itself with time. It’s not a daily thing, but I need to be comfortable with them together. It’s more than a little unfair, and even heartbreaking at times that everyone can play with and love on Lilly, except Afton…especially given that Afton has little to no fault in the problem.
04/20/18 from Kim Astler-Rosenstein:
Kim Astler declined Maggie bc their Airedale boy has some problems with one of his legs: angular limb deformity, so they need to concentrate on him.04/19/18: Kim Astler declined Maggie bc their Airedale boy has some problems with one of his legs: angular limb deformity, so they need to concentrate on him.
Retroactive March 2018: She’s having knee surgery later this year and wouldn’t want to bring a dog in that she’d have to leave when she goes to her sister’s to recuperate.
04/19/18:
Alexandria Day
2306 Boulevard Granada
Atlanta GA (she’s moving from here on 04-22-18)
678 314 4801 cell04/19/18: jmc and kim astler-rosenstein
Hi, Kim. I appreciate your response and understand your situation. I am so sorry that your boy has had to have surgery at such a young age! Was he injured? I hope that he doesn’t need more surgery. It can take a long time to heal.We will keep you in our “approved” list and let you know if we have one that we think would be a good match. Do let me know how Beckett does and let me know when you think you are ready for another. We’ll be here.
Jackie Cash | 901-438-5782
http://www.airedalerescuegroup.com
Follow us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/airedalerescuegroup
On April 19, 2018 at 1:22 PM Kim Astler-RosensteinJackie,
After some hard thinking and discussion, Kim and I have decided this is not a good time for us to take on a new dog.
Kim will be traveling about 5 out of the next 10 weeks. That would leave me alone with two dogs both a little high needs.
Also what I did not tell you on the phone is that Becks has had some issues with his R front leg. He had one surgery 6 months ago and may
need a second.
Thank you for reaching out to me. I wish our situation were different but for right now, I have all I can handle. It would not be fair to Maggie and I would not want to
take her and not be able to fulfill that commitment to her.
Please keep us on your list. And Beckett may not need that second surgery, fingers crossed.
I would not rule out another dog when circumstances are different for us.Best Wishes and I hope you fine a great home for Maggie.
Kim
04/18/18: Text btw Bay, Alexandria (678-314-4801, in Atlanta, fostering Hampton), and jmc:
BY:
Alexandria meet Jackie Cash. Jackie is the our volunteer who makes the placements. The first family in spartsnburg declined because they are now moving to Asheville and this is not a good time. Jackie is working with the next person who is approved and waiting. Jackie may text or call you after work hours for a bit more info on Hampton. When Jackie feels she has a possible adoptive she will contact you so you can speak with them as the foster mom who knows the most about Hampton. Let me know when I can PayPal the fee and $$ to you.A: Okay great! Thanks so much!! I’m leaving work now and will send you the info when I get home.
BY: Thank you. We are looking for the basic info weight records anything you think makes the best home for him
A: Ok. He’s underweight and fluffy so don’t think his weight is his size. He should be about 15lbs bigger
Jackie04/18/18: From Molly:
Yes, he has always had diarrhea. I was not surprised about it at first due to normal stress. He has not gone in my car. He tries not to go in his crate. Has not gone in the house. The meds will stop the diarrhea for now but it will come back if it is stress related. I think the meds will probably take care of the parasites. The anti-anxiety meds may really help him right now.04/18/18: JMC: We’ve been going back and forth as to whether Virgilynne wants to adopt Judah. Since Molly has had him, he’s had diarrhea a lot. She took him to the vet 10 days or so ago and they put him on anti-diarrheal drugs and also gave him something for anxiety. Yesterday, 04/17/18, the vet kept him overnight to administer drugs for his giardia. As a result of the diagnosis of giardia, Virgilynne doesn’t want him because she’s afraid he will infect Mandy.
(See Judah’s posts for Molly’s notes on him.)
Find another dog for Virg.
04/12/18 From Molly:
I want to keep all of them!!If he and Po get along, my consideration will be greater. He finishes his meds Saturday. I want to take them both to Springfield this weekend but weather shows rain all weekend.
As with all of them, he is just so sweet. He craves love and attention which can’t help but touch your heart. He is very, very vocal which is not good in my situation. BUT part of his being vocal is because he is not loose in the house playing with Po. He does have a hard mouth and that needs to be understood. He has not been aggressive to me but has accidentally broken skin when we interact, which I would expect with his youth. I want what is best for him so if I feel like I would not be the very best home then I would of course want him to go to the best home. I do not know how he gets along with dogs of any size or other people. Sometimes I think when they come in craving love they can get protective of their newly found people. Not that this would continue but should be an early on consideration.
Whenever they touch my heart, I want to keep and love them. The longer I have them, the more I want to keep them. I try to be objective but then he looks at me and talks to me…
I know you understand!
Molly
From JMC
Yes, I do understand, Molly. I’d like for him to be in a situation where he could be loose in the house all day with someone home to train him and teach him manners. As young as he is, he needs lots of exercise and running around in a fenced yard and playing with other dogs. I’ll let you know what Virgie says.From Molly 04-14-18
In Springfield for the weekend. Po had to put Judah in his place one time. She had him by the neck and he was a good boy and did not move. Might have been more than once if I wasn’t intervening. They love running in the yard! If Judah is in the crate, he will snarl at Po if she gets close. He is a good baby and defers to her then shows he is a teenager by challenging her. So silly.Just a weekend update. Have pics but just from a distance.
From Molly 04-16-18
Yes, I found the microchip info in his paperwork.The explosive diarrhea has stopped – at least in the crate. He goes back and forth between a soft stool and liquid. He finished his meds Friday morning. I was considering calling the vet to see if he might need to be treated again. Will see how he is this afternoon.
I do not leave him out of the crate if I am not with him to supervise. Have not had him and Po loose in the house at the same time. Po is just so protective and possessive I don’t want her to start something. Yes, he is house and crate trained.
I really think he and Po would be fine together. He may have better dog manners then people manners – he jumps a lot.
Let me know if anyone has any questions about him. I would love to keep him if I could. He is just such a sweet boy!
Molly
From Molly 04/16/18:
Jackie,I am so sorry! I should have phrased my comment differently. Yes I would love to keep him. Can I keep him? That is probably not the best option for him. I would love to be in a position where I could keep him but I am not.
When I say things like that it is just my way of saying how much I like him and how lucky someone will be to have him. If I was in a position where I thought I could keep him and provide the best home ever, I would let you know that he is NOT up for adoption! He is a very special boy and I want him to go to the best home possible.
I love everyone that comes into my home. They all have a very special place in my heart. The only reason I can let them go is because I know they are going to a loving home that will appreciate every terrier hair on them and understand their need for love and family. And a few good games and chew toys!
Again, I apologize. Please know when there is a dale that I know will fit my situation, I will let you know.
Yes, I do give him pumpkin.
From Molly 04/17/18:
Judah is spending the night at Caring Hands. Dr. B says he still has giardia. I will pick him up tomorrow. He will come home with two meds for the giardia and diarrhea. He will also have a script for an anti anxiety med. Dr. B says he is just really stressed.My response to the anxiety was No Way. But in thinking about it, I know he is correct. I have told you how Judah cry’s and sings to me. He screams to your heart saying LOVE ME!
So, I will boldly give you my thoughts. I think if someone wants to adopt him, they need to take him sooner verses later. If someone wants to commit to him then I think they need to help him thru this. He is a fragile, baby dale who needs his family to help him be secure. And to that person he will give his love and devotion the rest of his life.
It tears me up to think about him leaving and how upset he will be when things change. But the longer he is here, the more he will settle here which may make it harder for him to move somewhere else.
I know I may be wrong but I feel very strongly that he needs his family and that is what it will take for him to settle down. If Dr. B is correct about this, no matter when Judah moves he will continue to have diarrhea which could end when he settles down or not.
How many people are interested in him? Do they want a young dale? A male? Are their other young or male dales coming in to rescue? Do we have more people wanting to adopt then we have dales available right now?
I’m just asking because his family needs to want him, diarrhea and all. I will keep him as long as needed to get him thru this but Po is accepting him and the longer he is here… I may really tell you Jackie that he cannot go any where.
He needs a home with a devoted family. He needs a yard and other dales to play with. He needs to be loved and cuddled. He is a leaner. He does have things to learn. He jumps too much, he screams at people and animals. He has a hard mouth. He will have to learn not to be food aggressive – no he has not been food aggressive but I could see him being that way in the right situation. He needs a dale experienced home so he will become what he is meant to be.
I wish for him more then I can give right now but I can give him the love he needs most of all if no one else is up to the job! I know the right family will say Yes, we want HIM!
Ok, I will get off my soap box. Anyone interested can call me to discuss him. Serious inquires only!
Molly
04/18/18: From Cindy:
Thank you for covering Maggie’s vet bill today . She received her shots, a vet exam, heart worm test and fecal test. I can send a copy of the invoice if you need for your records. Maggie did very well at vet except for the blood withdrawal – she screams bloody murder. Still working on teaching her that handling of her paws and front legs is all good.
Maggie also graduated today to what we call “the big yard” at Woofers. This is the large compound where dogs with good social skills can have lots of room to play and enjoy the pool. She did wear a long line for a few leash corrections when she got a little rough with play. She was really excellent even with the smaller dogs.04/17/18: They’re moving to Asheville, NC. in early June. So they are not in the market till after they move and get settled in Asheville. They’re having a hard time finding a house to buy in Asheville. Told her I’d put out some feelers.
04/16/18: From Cindy:
She is doing well . Continuing to work on introducing her to the world . She is riding much better in the car but needs to be reminded to to stay in a down when you first start out.We have been walking and practicing in lots of environments. We watched the local college tennis team practice this week with lots of noises and balls flying . We worked up to standing right on the fence and she was great.
Went to Lowes and watched lots of people coming and going, guys let us stand close while they loaded soil with a fork lift. She was great and got lots of compliments.
Her main issue now is seeing other dogs on leash. I think deer are just big dogs to her. She wants to charge in and great them with paws on. Will be practicing at the vet, at Petsmart as well as the parking lot at Woofers to desensitize her to this trigger.
Any new interest in big girl?Cindy
The Edgertons decline Maggie.
04/17/18: JMC talked to Kim Astler about her.
04/17/18: JMC called and left vm for Kim Astler re Maggie. With their outdoor run, they might be a very good home!
Kim returned my call. She is interested in Maggie, even though they bought an Airedale puppy from Suzanne Schneider last year. He’s a year old and a wild child, working on obedience.
